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bearfoil 10th March 2011 01:05

The Pterodactyl was not strictly speaking, a flyer. It could not take off, but had to find a cliff or hill to launch from, to soar. Those finger thingies at the LE joint are graspers to climb with. The Alien Head helped reduce drag. Launch, hike, Launch, hike, Launch hike, etc. Kinda like hang gliding.

mike-wsm 10th March 2011 05:27

Plenty of hang glider flyers use the same site for takeoff and landing, it's called slope soaring. And when they're airborne they seem to think they're flying.

Many birds use slope soaring, a gull rarely flaps its wings except for t.o. and l., and uses cliffs and seashore features to gain height. Pelicans seem to fly all day in line-ahead formation using wave soaring. Glorious to watch the whole formation wing over one by one from one wave to the next.

I somehow think a pterodactyl would be a little vulnerable when hiking and would prefer to return to base by air. Good energy management would permit excursions to lower levels and return to base. Dunno what they used to feed on, could they catch 'insectosaurs' in midair or did they grab ground-based food?

Jane-DoH 11th March 2011 18:07

mike-wsm

"Insectosaurs"? Last I checked arthropods were around way before reptiles were -- they were just insects.

mike-wsm 11th March 2011 21:20

Yes, and ptera nippo appears to be eating one!

Jane-DoH 11th March 2011 22:59

I love my arthropods too, crustaceans in particular -- usually get 'em at a seafood restaurant. They go great with butter.

sevenstrokeroll 28th March 2011 01:44

my kind of wing loading
 
http://www.jaunted.com/files/6193/HughesAirways.jpg

bubbers44 28th March 2011 02:17

I remember those days. Hughes Air West, PSA and Air California with a crew of hotties. The trouble is they are still flying and the only requirement is to fit through the window exit.

Jane-DoH 6th April 2011 22:38

mike-wsm

I just thought of something. The earth is not a perfect sphere, it's diameter and circumference across the equator is larger than the poles which has to do with the earth's rotation.

Regardless to compute the differences of altitude you'd take the planet's circumference, which is pretty easy to compute (πD); you'd take the planet's circumference at altitude ([D+2(Altitude)]π); then divide the circumference of the planet at altitude by the circumference of the planet at sea-level.

At that point you multiple that number by the length of your trip.

Circumference of Earth at Sea Level (Across Equator) = 40,075 kilometers
Altitude of 35,000 feet = 11,000 meters
Altitude of 60,000 feet = 18,288 meters
Circumference of Earth at 11 kilometers = 40,144 kilometers
Difference in Circumference @ 11 kilometers = 69 km
Circumference of Earth at 18.288 km = 40,187 kilometers
Difference in Circumference @ 18,288 meters = 112 km

So theoretically, for a flight that would traverse 10,000 km on the ground right along the equator, you would travel about 10,017.22 kilometers by air if you were flying at 35,000 feet; and 10,027.95 kilometers if you were at 60,000 feet. Of course this is theoretical because you'd have to take off, climb to altitude, then descend; you would also have to fly right along the equator with no deviation (no northwest/northeast/southwest/southeast); to make it even more complex many airports are not at sea-level, and flights usually don't involve a constant climb and descent rate.


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