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gb777 17th June 2010 00:04

At least one cause of accidents will be avoided: bad CRM.:rolleyes:

ReverseFlight 17th June 2010 01:35

Most long haulers have a relief pilot or second officer anyway and I think a reserve pilot will likely be retained notwithstanding single pilot ops, probably due to requirements by the insurance industry, before we even get to the regulators or the public.

vapilot2004 17th June 2010 02:01

One wonders what they're smoking down in Brazil these days.

kwateow 17th June 2010 05:11

Someone's taking the piss.

Hope the pilot doesn't need to go for one.

joe two 17th June 2010 09:40

Well , this just means that the cessna is getting a little bit bigger.

Sqwak7700 17th June 2010 10:04

Well I guess there are many areas that they could cut redundancy. Why not scrap the second engine on twins? After all, today's engines don't fail, right?

How could anybody be stupid enough to suggest getting rid of the 2 cockpit crew? Airliners are always operated with the basis of having backups. When you get rid of the second pilot you loose half of your brain power. Hoe many little mistakes are made here and there that are caught by a second set of eyes.

This stupid idea will exponentially increase every type of accident out there. Plugging in performance numbers for takeoff? Maintaing situational awareness in mountainous terrain? Finding your way around increasingly complex airports without inadvertently crossing an active runway? Forget to set the flaps for TO? A lot of these mistakes have shown that technology has its limitations, as well as humans.

I hope the flying public is willing to accept a dramatic rise in aircraft accidents. I certainly will not get my ass on a airliner with only one pilot. :yuk:

HeadingSouth 17th June 2010 10:49

rationalize away the SLF would be much more economical. No plane food, no drinks, hardly an airplane at all moving, no crew... dear management, can you see your dollar signs in your eyes ? All the profits straight into your pockets !

Wanted to patent my idea but had to realize that a certain baby branson in the UK has prior art....

Massey1Bravo 17th June 2010 14:08

The truth is that the airline industry faces extreme cost pressures when compared to other forms of transportation e.g. rail simply because most people are not willing to pay any more than the absolute minimum for their flights, and market forces are driving the airline industry to the bottom. Even Fedex doesn't face this kind of competitive pressure.

Flying is so safe these days that the travelling public don't actually care about safety anymore, all they care about is price. This is why we are hearing about pay toilets and "standing" seats. People are more than willing to pay peanuts and let monkeys sit in the cockpit. :yuk:


How could anybody be stupid enough to suggest getting rid of the 2 cockpit crew? Airliners are always operated with the basis of having backups.
The same thing has been said about F/Es, 200hr pay to fly cadets and ETOPS. It's the beancounters who run the airlines and pilots ultimately have to depend on them for employment. Complain to the govt about safety if you want to, but in this free market deregulation environment they won't bat an eyelid unless planes start falling out of the sky en masse. Have a look at the Colgan crash, how much did the findings improve T&Cs within the industry? Almost none.

If the governments certify it, the beancounters would buy it, the unions would be powerless (Look how well Ansett's 3-man 767 worked out) and the pilots would be out of a job.

MAT4134 17th June 2010 15:36

Toilets
 
So what happens if the pilot needs the toilet? will he just leave the plane to fly itself? do you really trust that? i sure as hell don't.

And anyway i agree with the many other posters that having one pilot would be bad for the economy by taking away jobs, moral of crews on long flights and the safety on board the aircraft.

so i say single pilot aircrafts have no place in aviation because pc's make errors and there are many more errors on a PC than in a human mind

InSoMnIaC 17th June 2010 16:05

If the pilot can't go to the toilet then the toilet will need to go to the pilot.

glhcarl 17th June 2010 23:39

Embraer would have more luck selling the idea to the airlines if they suggested doing away with the pilot and keeping the co-pilot. Since co-pilots get paid less the airlines would save more money.

muduckace 18th June 2010 00:12


Well I guess there are many areas that they could cut redundancy. Why not scrap the second engine on twins? After all, today's engines don't fail, right?
You would make a much better argument if you could give logical reasons to dispute the redundancy of a pilot by replacing one with automation and or a ground based emergency pilot to operate the aircraft as a UAV.

There is no redundant replacement that is economic out there for an engine other than another engine. If pilots could operate less with less expence, greater efficiency and less maintenance, I am sure this would be the logical path for the bean counters to persue.


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