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Do not tell anyone about this...
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After you get Google, type FAA AIM, it comes in PDF.
FAA Airman Information Manual
Then go to Airspace. Chapter 3-2-2.
Class A Airspace.
Under "a. Definitions", it says 12 (statute) miles from the coast.
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BelArgUSA,

200 down the Autobahn was more than enough for me, but I've never really had a thing for speed. :}

My point was that the speed restriction doesn't apply in Frankfurt, but the controllers have to continuously remind the US crews of that fact as they all just stick to 250/10000, probably as a force of habit ;)

Maui -

Basically this is your answer.

Jepp WWT United States.

"United States Federal Aviation Regulations (FAR's), ATC procedures and definitions are applicable within the Domestic Airspace, Alaska, Hawaii and Offshore Airspace Areas".

This means that the 250/10000 applies within those areas (specifically Domestic Airspace) and not in the Oceanic areas.

As BelArgUSA has shown (its also in the WWT/AIP), in most cases US Domestic Airspace ends at 12nm, and then becomes Oceanic Control Area.

This means blasting out from LAX, once you are outside domestic airspace you aren't limited by that FAR restriction.

Gunfighter
 

A Friend was returning to Miramar from Blue Water ops. At 20 DME he calls LA as a courtesy. At 800 knots in his F-14, Approach reminded Hoser of the "Speed Limit". "Gunfighter xx copy, I have a note from my mother."

Sounds like the Navy. At the Pease airshow a number of years ago, a young stud in an F-16 approaching to land. He asked for the PAR, at glide slope intercept, said stud, raised the gear, selected full AB and lowered the FPV 3 degrees. The PAR controller issued a flurry of instructions, as it was about 15 seconds from GSI to "over approach lights". Hilarious to hear.

GF

i was flying into KJFK on morning and the center told us to keep our speed up above 300kts even below 10,000. i fly a 737. from what i understand is that atc does have the athority to grant you a clearence above 250kts below 10,000. i was glad to oblige in order to cut a couple of minutes off.

BelArgUSA
Thanks for letting me in on your secret source of information.
I have lurked there. Fear not, I used stealth, least I unwittingly tip off OBL.
Interestingly, whilst there I discovered something of great import.

BelArgUSA, has the wrong end of the stick.

Class A airspace starts at 18,000ft, so any mandated speed restriction below 10,000 is hardly relevant. However the definition does go on to say that Class A extends " in designated international airspace beyond 12 nautical miles of the coast of the 48 contiguous States and Alaska within areas of domestic radio navigational signal or ATC radar coverage, and within which domestic procedures are applied.

The answer to my question which I have determined through your benevolence, is that the speed restriction would apply in Class B airpace as far out over the water as the airspace is designated B, regardless of the 12 mile bit.
Now I just have to determine how far out it goes. Back to the charts.

Thanks
Maui

The Island of Romance..
 

Before maybe 1980, the US territorial limit was three statute miles.

Maui, as long as you mentioned Long Beach, is Catalina Island territory contiguous with mainland territory, or a separate territory with 12 mile limit. . It's 26 miles across the sea to romance, as you know...

GB

Ahhh, well you might be, if a rather large bird was sucked in your intake.
OR, elsewhere....:}

bleh, now we're back to where we started... :(

Prolly because you arrived from over water. Years ago in another life I used to arrive into JFK from the south side, sometimes late at night with no speed-sequencing.
Once you are more than 12 mi off the coast, the general speed limit does not apply. Cant remember what the STAR said, but remember steaming along at 300KIAS plus, until approx.14 mi off the NJ coast, or Long Island, on the radar, with ATC's blessing.

Ah, actually no, for clarity, see post #11. :ok:

does anyone know if its possible for a civilian aircraft to break the sound barrier somewhere? if his plane is capable? in other words where are the rules the most relaxed..

like in some quiet foreign country?

check out the javelin jet and the viper jet

I just ask because id love to own one of these someday..it would be pretty gay if you couldnt max it out!

thanks

Maui.
I believe Class B extends to approx 40nm from the key airport traffic areas.
Not sure if this range is actually set in stone as there is no reference in part 91.

I stand to be corrected though. :uhoh:

Each Class B in the US is unique.