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Rainboe 27th October 2008 12:50

ft, did you not replicate with

Rainboe,
todays nitpicker comment: In a vertical climb most aircraft (which have cambered wings) will in fact have a zero-lift AoA which is negative rather than zero, giving you a few additional degrees nose down relative to vertical to add to those caused by the angle of incidence.
with what I wrote in the previous post:

Originally Posted by Rainboe
In a vertical climb, AoA for all intents and purposes would be zero,meaning the fuselage would have negative pitch (ie be pointing at about 86 degrees pitch whilst plane is climbing vertically)
?

We can produce all sorts of fancy formulae (which really won't mean anything to anybody without a diagram!), but the answer will be- AoA will be in proportion to Cos climb angle. A 15 degree climb will have .97 of level flight lift- you know it, I know it- I feel it in me bones!

ft 27th October 2008 21:02

Rainboe, yes, I was replying to you. AoA will typically be a few degrees negative in a vertical climb rather than zero, due to camber. Fuselage pitch relative to the airflow will be another few degrees more negative due to angle of incidence.

Of course this means I goofed earlier. AoA in a climb won't be given by

AoA_climb = AoA_level*L_climb/L_level

at all, even though the relationship is essentially linear.

(AoA_climb-AoA_zero_lift) = (AoA_level - AoA_zero_lift)*L_climb/L_level

should hold more or less true though!

As for diagrams, you have them earlier in this thread. In addition, this is rather obvious to a lot of people without diagrams so you're making a rather broad statement there. After all, this is only the basic T/W/D/L diagram.

ChristiaanJ 27th October 2008 23:24

It seems we've now dealt with the original question, and we've all agreed lift and AoA decrease in a steady climb, even if only very little for small climb angles in a 'conventional' aircraft.

So we're now dealing with Rainboe's pet situation, a steady vertical climb.
Admittedly, at first sight we are just talking T=W+D+L, but since none of those vectors point in exactly the right direction, another diagram may be called for?

CJ


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