kbrockman,
Quote :"Just a wild guess but I think he was referring to the SAUDI incident.
"
Spot on ! Thanks !
You see ? Too busy criticizing the 'Bus to know about incidents on his airplane ! :rolleyes:

Well let me see..............3 landing gears replaced on 330's and 340-600's in CX alone in the last 3 years. All about 5 to 6 million to fix. FACT

How many on CX Boeing A/C in the last 20 years? NONE, even after heavy landings.

Not too sure about the Saudi incident, give me the details with true facts about what actually failed and came through the wing, then I can comment.

FWIW on most (I think) of the Qantas A330's there are no ADF's ftted.




Just move the seat back and there's plenty of room. It's not difficult FFS.




So how is that Boeing's fault?




That's simply a matter of training. I too found it 'orrible initially but after getting used to it, it's fine. You can do a lot more with it than the typical Honeywell/etc fitting to Boeings. The lack of scratchpad is very annoying though.

18-Wheeler,

Its was a simple question "does the 777 have a tray table?"
If you fly this aeroplane you should know, does it have one or not?
-Plenty of room is not a tray table!

You asked how is that Boeing's fault?
It is a fault because they have claimed an aeroplane they did not make!
Boeing DC-3! its just not right.

Its like saying one day in the future Boeing are in trouble, they merge with a big company, that company puts its completely different name in front of one of boeings classics, lets say the 747, can anyone think who might do that?

Of course the 777 doesn't have a folding table, but the inferrance was that the control column gets in the way of having a meal tray in front of you - It doesn't.





So you carefully checked that the poster was a Boeing product?
No, it wasn't.

Having spent 9 days away on a trip and the last day at the chiropractors I am loving the dialogue.
GE90; you made some comments on landing As and Bs. Its a different technique and you can do smooth ones.
Airbus you derotate on landing and get a beautiful smooth landing with A330/343/345 (I know). Don't derotate and you will get a 'wobble' on touch of forward bogies. The middle wheels on a A345 hang front wheel down cf the mains which are rear wheel down.
Boeing you get a nice touch down after rear main wheel contact by NOT derotating. If you do it will smack on; freeze the (stupid and unnecessary) wheel in the position you touched and the rest should come down pretty nicely.
Overall experience as pilot and passenger I think A beats B for smooth landings but that is of course merely an opinion.

you must be joking me?

Yes mate the Airbus guys/girls in CX know how to de-rotate the bus on landing. Then the whole cabin shakes and squeeks till your stopped at the gate.

I've travelled to Oz on Qf and Cx about twice a month for the last 14 years on Bus and I know what is true.

The good ol Boeing just "paints" itself on, if you do it right.

I've NEVER experienced that in a Bus, ever.

1Way2Live
Are you sure you have flown an Airbus? This is the Airbus recommended technique if PF requires more thrust on the approach! Have a look at FCTM 1.030
TP

sweet jeeezzzuzz!!
 

The good ol Boeing just "paints" itself on, if you do it right.
 

Might be true for a T7 but it sure is not for the 767.
Hardly ever a greaser with that one ,no matter who's flying it.

So all in all at the end of the day and all that, I think that we can conclude that both A and B have their good and bad points. Its a personal preference and as crew you are fortunate enough to do a job which you enjoy.
Let the pointless bickering cease forthwith!!!!!!!
Constructive debate rules Ok...

check:ok:

Which ever aircraft you're on it's still the best job in the world:ok:

How to make 777 smooth ldg
 

this is totally out of whats being discussed currently, but here's my techniques to acheive a very smooth ldg on 777. I ve done several good ones lately.

-hold/maintain the power (autothr), dont let it retard till 10 feet (i flare at sound of 40 ftRA)
-at 10 ft close thr quickly, if nose drop jerk up veryvery slightly
-slowly derotate the nose to cushion all main gears.
-as soon as u are on the ground let the nose go down, onlyv arrest it last minute just b4 it touches grd letg it go down slowly

of course this comes after i learned aerobatics, and its my personal technique. Anyway, any other suggestions?

Azlee,
Would love to know how you "jerk up" slowly?:D

LOL, wrong word.

slow or fast, depends on u guys, which ever you like......:}

Bus Boeing
 

...You Know, someone said that, all flight crew professionals who used to have a table have already lost it: Radio; Navigator and F/E...:mad::ugh:

You are right. I met King Arthur with his shiny bars and crash helmet the other day and he told me he lost his beautiful round one.

hi all

i remember coming across a website all about the 737. it was an orange and white coloured website, with similar information like in the http://www.b737.org.uk/.

any help would be much appreciated

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Many thanks blinkz :ok:

Having now surpassed 1000 hours on the B777 my position remains unchanged apart from constant back pain and dry/red eyes from the airflow.
In the Bus every air vent had a sliding 'on/off' control which apart from controlling the airflow had a direct impact on the noise level in the cockpit. The Boeing has no such controls and the cockpit is (as a result) far noisier and less conducive to: a) rest, and b) a satisfactory working environment.
If anyone has developed and/or sourced air vent 'plugs' that we could insert into the knee/side table/#2 window vents please PM me and I will buy them; otherwise I will tape them over on each flight.
I understand the reason for the airflow is to create an over-pressure in the cockpit compared to the cabin behind the cockpit door...and it is bollocks.
One further point to come out of a miserable thousand hours flying this airplane is the CG setting on the init perf page. What does it actually mean? It's preset at 30% for 300 and 7.5% for 300ER but what does it do? Unless the CG is 30 or 7.5% it's a nonsense! Airbus CG changes with fuel burn off and it compensates for it; change in fuel load in the Boeing has minimal effect on CG. 7.5% on ER is for alleged vibration but I have yet to encounter that. Changing CG upwards increases opt and max altitudes on the FMC and clearly the wings and engines (the most powerful engines ever on a civilian airliner) can handle it. If you have a (not unusual scenario) of an ocean crossing with little or no chance of an optimum altitude with 7.5% preset, change to anything higher (30-40%) and perhaps get your altitude. Normal CG is probably between 30 and 40 anyway.
The Boeing airframe is ok; put an airbus cockpit into it and keep the electronic checklist and it would be a good ship

This is all too funny. You guys sound like a bunch of 1960NASCAR rednecks arguing over which is best, Chevrolet or Ford. The facts are ALL airplanes are compromises and each has strengths and weaknesses. The best one is the one with the best departure and arrival times, the best layovers, the best F/As on board, the best pay and the most time off. Everything else is very subjective and anecdotal. :ok:

A.vs.B
 

I know it´s and old thread..
But seriously "Pugilistic animus" "Ksa 5223" and "Check airman"
You Had me laughing out loud with your "comments"
Ksa 5223 ha ha ha....hillarious!:ok:
Have a good day all..

... but overall i still prefer Boeing planes!...

After reading this thread...are you all talking about real aircrft or MSFS aircraft?

My little fighter jet freighter...sorry E145 is far better than any of yours... :}

fc101
E145 Driver

I still have nightmares about going back onto a tractor.....gotta love the bus!!!

JJ

Boeing because....

the bus is french. so no thanks.

Leo :E

With the boeing costing almost twice an airbus is it a fair comparison?

To Templarknight
 

Our procedure on a 300ER is to subtract an extra 10% Off the TOMAC C of G and insert that pre-flight on the performance initialisation page.
I.E. TOMAC 31% -10% insert 21% in the FMC. This gives a more realistic initial cruise C of G usually giving a higher MAX ALT on VNAV Cruise page..
What do other operators do?

Hi Zlin,

what you have done is subtract 10 rather than 10 %. Is that correct ?.

Just curious.

Rgds.

I really didn't have the chance to fly a boeing yet, but if i could choose, i would say airbus... I'm not saying that Boeing is a bad aircraft, i just think that at the end of the day you are still in one piece after flying an airbus, and here's is why

- workload reduced
-ergonomic design of the cockpit
-Sidestick+ flight laws ( Ground Mode, Flare mode, Flight mode) that is hell of a good reason, since the relation between the sidestick deflection and the elevator and aileron deflection changes according to the phase of flight you are at..anyways there's much more to add to this post but i would have to spend the whole afternoon here :}

that's my opnion! :ok:

What do the (Airbus, I believe) acronyms CM1 and CM2 mean?


O/c firmly footed in the Boeing park, but curious about the Bus.

CM1 and CM2 is the same as PF and PNF !:)

Not quite!

CM1 is the occupant of the LHS. CM2 is the occupant of the RHS

Sure thing! thanks for correct me !

Thanks guys, but what does the acronym CM actually stand for? Is it something in French?

Cm1 / Cm2
 

CM1(2) = Crew Member 1 (left seat) or 2 (right seat)

GE.

This from the Airbus operating manual re use of manual thrust and the 100' you referred to.

Regarding the fuel/wing icing prob, can't find the ref, but from memory, if the outer tank fuel temp is less than zero (??) and you are descending into an area of high humidity with an outside air temp less 10 (??) you need to transfer fuel to warm it up.

Can any other bus drivers, fill in the blanks on the temps?

Come to 'the other side' you might just like it:ok:

Greeings
I was flying the A330, and yes it happens
We tranfer the fuel on the ground, the transfer enables the skin to warm up, because it is no longer in contact with sub zero fuel, and ice will melt :ok: I cannot found any reference in the books, but we use to do it especially when tankering fuel.

Now I am on the B777 and I love it :) the only thing I miss is the table :}

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Boeing because....

the bus is french. so no thanks.



Now Now its not French, its european. or USE (united States of Europe)