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sudden Winds 20th February 2008 11:42

Older vs Newer A320
 
Hi folks,

Does anyone know what the main differences between the older 320 models (s/n400) and the newer (s/n1900) are? Are there any fuel consumption improvements? Are there any FMGC big differences?
I am all eyes.
Thnank you and Regards,
SW.

Dream Land 20th February 2008 12:56

Different MCDU's, can only depress one PB at a time on the FCU, CRT's replaced with LCD's, no more LAF, hinge for the fuel panel on the front now, new improved RAT. I'm sure I missed a few.

Fly Ginger 20th February 2008 13:01

also abscu, alt brakes and n/w steering on green hyd - now going to look that up to make sure!!

Office Pest 20th February 2008 13:26

Actually I believe the ALT Brakes and NWS are on the yellow system.

Best Regards

OP

Springer1 20th February 2008 14:52

Cockpit noise level which is extremely high on our '89 models.

Chris Scott 20th February 2008 15:32

Spring 1988...
 
Quote from sudden Winds:
Does anyone know what the main differences between the older 320 models (s/n400).... [Unquote]

Had a double-take on this. Most of our MSNs were 1 or 2 digits.
And they said it would never sell...

Changing to Yellow for NWS sounds a strange idea, Office Pest. The Yellow is surely too busy already to take the whole L/G from Green, so are you saying that the NWS could use a different System from the L/G itself?

Dream Land, is the "new improved RAT" in the same location, and can it still stall if the aeroplane is in sideslip with the L/G down?

Office Pest 20th February 2008 16:03

That is indeed the case on our newer 319's the NWS is on the Yellow system however the gear retraction remains on the Green.

OP

BRAKES HOT 20th February 2008 16:18

some of the earlier one will be pre-CPIPS too (basically the way FMA's are presented / FCU differences)

can tell which is an earlier 320 by the static ports - new ones are square and old ones are round

Right Way Up 20th February 2008 16:57

Medium autobrake logic vastly improved.

chin 20th February 2008 17:02

the first about 34 Modells have had no Winglets.

Chris Scott 20th February 2008 17:40

Winglets
 
Winglets came with the dash-200. There were very few -100s, probably no more than 15 - 20. [We had 5 of them.] By the end of 1988, no more were being delivered.

finncapt 20th February 2008 19:42

Ah Chris - What do you do for wallpaper now you can't save the swords!!!

Tail-take-off 20th February 2008 20:38


Dream Land, is the "new improved RAT" in the same location, and can it still stall if the aeroplane is in sideslip with the L/G down?

No it doesn't stall & you don't have those yellow collared circuit breakers to pull when on Battery power onnly.

0-8 20th February 2008 21:22

Probably the biggest difference you will notice on a day to day basis is FMS1 on the older aircraft and FMS2 on the newer aircraft.

FMS2 has many improvements. It's much easier entering in the initial route as you just have to enter the airways and it will figure out the waypoints.

The way the system works out the optimum level is much improved as you can enter in a range of cruise winds for various levels instead of just a single level.

Another nice improvement, is that you can go direct to a waypoint on a specific radial. Particularly useful if you a doing a visual approach from a fair distance out, as you can use it to draw an extended centerline.

The bigger LCD screens are much nicer to work with than the old CRT ones. And the flight deck noise is considerably reduced in newer aircraft.

Older A/C have a cluster of separate 'clockwork' standby instruments while the newer ones have a single PFD style standby instrument.

In the older aircraft the RAT stalls at 140kts and disconnects with gear down leaving you on battery power only (!)

Dream Land 21st February 2008 00:45


No it doesn't stall & you don't have those yellow collared circuit breakers to pull when on Battery power onnly. By Tail-Take-Off
Yes, very good point.

Chris Scott 21st February 2008 00:52

RAT
 
Quote from finncapt:
Ah Chris - What do you do for wallpaper now you can't save the swords!!! [Unquote]
Huh... Have I been rumbled? [How many forests did we destroy?] ;)

Quote from Tail-take-off (re new RAT):
No it doesn't stall & you don't have those yellow collared circuit breakers to pull when on Battery power only.
[Unquote]
That problem necessitated a major redesign of the Electrical System, and FBW-degradation logic, while we and AF were on the first A320 conversion courses at Toulouse in Jan 1988. Does the new RAT design enable:
1) RAT to provide reliable hydraulic and electrical power until touchdown?
2) Alternate Law to continue after L/G extension?

And is it still located in the L/H belly-fairing, behind and ouboard of the No. 1 Pack?

Cardinal 21st February 2008 02:37

ISIS LCD displays display ISA deviation.

Very new (last few months) aircraft have the CFM Tech Insertion single-annular-combustor, and redesigned fuel vents.

mutt 21st February 2008 03:40

How many of you are using Thales FMS2's? Are they an improvement over the Honeywell system?


Mutt

DesiPilot 21st February 2008 06:09

1) Auto brakes MAX inhibited in flight.
2) Parking brake ON in flight generates a Master Caution.
3) OEB reminders (if equipped).

Fly Ginger 21st February 2008 07:38

re post 3, engage brain before opening mouth!!


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