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Dream Land 13th November 2007 01:43

Lot's of good information from posters, something to think about, from personal experiences when the field is IFR, and a side step maneuver is expected (using circling mins), a missed approach would be based on the original approach procedure, on the other hand if the field is VFR and the tower offers me a runway change for some reason, I would expect missed approach instructions from the tower. :hmm:

bookworm 13th November 2007 08:02


Better tell Jepp and the Spanish then as Gran Canaria has a ILS to 03L with ILS minima and LOC only to SIDESTEP to 03R minima published.......
The title of the approach is actually ILS/DME 03L LATERAL OFFSET 03R, but your point stands. The minima are published as "Sidestep RWY 03R" in the straight-in section. But I think the approach technically qualifies as a straight in approach for 03R for the purposes of PANS-OPS.

Intruder 13th November 2007 20:29


The days of airliners with people doing late base turns onto finals are gone
I guess you don't fly into JFK... The Canarsie approach to 13 is alive and well!

Rainboe 14th November 2007 20:16


I guess you don't fly into JFK... The Canarsie approach to 13 is alive and well!
I have actually done the Canarsie approach countless times from the early 70s to 2005 when I finished on B747s! I now fly 737s and do not think people flying passengers on visual short finals turns in airliners is to be recommended! The Canarsie is a special approach procedure which is tightly controlled, with visual guidance, and works well. Whacking around a tight circuit at a Greek island- very different, not nearly as safe. We also have some very inexperienced pilots who need at least 500' to get into the slot. .They have enough to contend with with my operating practices as it is without petrifying them on dazzling turns at low altitudes. Even BA does not want turns below 500'

Mikhail Sharpowicz 14th November 2007 20:16

Regards low turns on approaches - Has anyone done the approach to Tegucigalpa in Honduras?!?! :eek: - Now that's low!!!! About 200ft tops over the rocks on the short finals. It's more like ridge soaring in a glider than coming in to land.
ps What Intruder said.

Pilot Pete 15th November 2007 19:31


Whacking around a tight circuit at a Greek island- very different, not nearly as safe.
Not quite what was said, Rainboe. Samos is a 90 degree offset VOR approach down to 1850' minima. Then if visual you break off left or right to turn onto a very short (1nm) final to the east/west runway. It is THE required manoeuvre to make a landing, not some 'whack around a tight circuit' as you put it. With the Meltemi winds prevelant in the area it can be pretty sporting, but is certainly still done by those of us checked into there.........:ok:

PP

bubbers44 15th November 2007 22:04

MS, check out my retirement flight into TGU, Tegucigalpa, Honduras videoed by a fellow recently retired pilot from the jump seat of the B757. I spent the last six years flying into this airport and enjoyed every one of them.
www.flightlevel350.com Search MHTG. Doug


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