hours on duty?
 

dear all

now i know that the max. duty time is eight hours for pilots, but technically when is that?

is it when you sign on or when you take off, and if there are delays, are they taken into account? (delays in the holding pool etc...)

when you sign on, what procedures take place before signing up?

are there any variations for airlines or is the same, an eg of variation, bottle to throttle for ba 8hrs ek 12 hrs.

any answers would be great.

cheers

Dear Purple Haze...

May I introduce you to a can of worms......

There is no simple answer to your question!

purple haze, you say you work in flt ops !!!!!!! I don't think so as even the most junior ops assistant will know all about FTL, or will have made the effort to read about it. So I imagine you are just taking the pi**. Be honest about where you're coming from and maybe you'll get some answers.

Eight hour duty days? Who has that?

My duty day can legally be 15 hours long -- and it can be prolonged to 18 hours in extenuating circumstances. My duty day starts when I report for the first flight of the day, and ends when I shut down the engine at the end of the last flight of the day. A new day begins when I have had opportunity for eight hours rest since shutdown, including time for meals and personal hygiene.

Flight duty time is a bit different; it counts only the times between engine start and engine shutdown, and does not count time spent waiting, doing paperwork or inspections in between flights. I may fly 60 hours in a week, 120 hours in 30 days, 300 hours in 90 days and 1200 hours in a year.

I am also required to have thirteen twenty-four hour periods free from duty in any ninety day period. If my last flight of the day ends on Monday at 8:29 am and my first flight on Tuesday has an 8:30 am report, that counts as a day off, even though I didn't get to sleep in on either Monday or Tuesday.

Max duty times depend on your company, your country and, in some cases, your union.

Just out of curiosity, how many pilots would be willing to work for three months, 100 hours per month, rather long duty days---and then one month off (paid of course) with a business class RT ticket home, tax-free salary? Widebody aircraft, housing paid.

Sounds like turkish roster to me. When I was working @ LFPG, ONUR pilots used to fly 100 to 120 h per month for a few months, then 2 or 3 weeks off. End their carrier with over 30,000TT. Does anyone beat that ?

dear flex 42,

i apologise for the mistaken identity, i am a simple wannabe, and i honestly dont know how flight ops came about.

i can only assume that it comes up automatically if you leave it blank.

And if you do a search under my user name, you will see that my postings are consistent with what i say.

PH

ph, that's fine, just don't like the smell of bovine excrement.

Generally, Flight Duty Period (FDP) starts at report time and finishes at on blocks. In simple terms, the maximum FDP allowed is determined from a table using the local time of report and the number of sectors you intend to fly, assuming you are acclimatised. This can vary from 9-14 hours, not including discretion of up to an additional 3 hours. Duty Period (DP)is longer than FDP as it includes work done or positioning required etc after the on blocks time. This can become somewhat protracted and one must generally have a rest period equal to the DP or at least 12 hours. There are exceptions to the simplistic outline I have detailed but it would take a few pages to write it all down as Flight Time Limitations (FTL)is a complex subject. Hope that gives you a bit better idea. Good luck with your career.

Sorry, edited for typos.

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411A-

I would be willing to do that. I don't have the experience yet, but if I did, I would be willing.

Hope that helps.

Thanks for the reply, DJ. We are trying to put together a top-notch salary and benefits package for crew that will keep them on the job and satisified.

411A
any updates welcome.
There is a flock here in LIS who are open to offers, as you know.