MAYDAY issued over Irish Sea
 

There are reports that anE145 passenger jet has issued a MayDay over the Irish Sea. it was on the way to Belfast but has been diverted to Macheste Airport for an emergency landing. 26 people on board.
Problem believed to be with the engine pitch causing plane to climb instead of flying level.

Engine pitch? Anything to do with Capt. Horrendous' report on the ATP-XL :)

MAYBE STABILISER PROBLEM? ANY UPDATES?

What a load of crap! Can you explain what engine pitch is, oh clever one!?

STANDBY CHAPS, ITN Journalist on the sniff, apparent from the comment on 'engine pitch'

RTE news are reporting a safe landing in MAN.
Report states that a commercial jet with 26 pax onboard, bound for Belfast, made a maday call over the Irish sea, and diverted .
As for engine pitch ????? Maybe we are refering to something with variable geometry engine inlets ?? :)
Maybe not!

No idea what engine pitch control is - which is why I refer to the greater wisdom of people who fly.
Anyhow this report was taken from rescue radio monitoring.
Understand safe landing - all fine.

Is it a condition of being a professional pilot that one has to sneer at anyone else who hasnt chosen that career path?
Just because someone understands the undoubted complexities of flying a plane doesn't mean you can't politily share your expertise with lesser mortals.

Heard it on BRAL co freq - 145 with no pitch trim flying Belfast - MAN. Crew sorted it and continued to MAN landing safely, congrats to all!

Similar problem to BMs E145 last week. Elevator problem plus flapless landing @ about 1300. All OK.
Concerned if it is the same problem as BM.

LATEST, sorry you received such rude replies to yor post.
We should all remember that not all contributors to this board are professional pilots - and not all are 100% familiar with the often confusing terminology used in aviation.
I admire you for being up front enough in you profile to give your name and job description.
At least you don't used the same cloak and dagger tactics that your collegues in C4 use !!
I look forward to watching this report on ITN later! :)

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LATEST

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SORRY LATEST,

ME THINKS MAYBE YOU HAVE A VALID POINT-APOLOGIES.

AUTOTHROTTLE

John F,

Given the other apparently similar event, we're asking Embraer about it all. So if you have any detail, can you email me so we can brief them properly? - although I'm sure by the time we get to them they'll have been given the detail.

Long time no see. Hope things go well with you and yours.

David

Latest, you are aware that listening to non-'broadcast' frequencies is illegal without the appropriate license aren't you?

:)

Just like to say from MAN ATC well done to the chaps on board BRT903 today - fantastic landing and a totally professional job.

Nice one ;) ;) ;)

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Gentlemen,

Is it not the case that increasing power on aircraft with underslung engines does in fact result in an upward pitch moment on the aircraft which could cause difficulties with altitude holding if a malfunction of the autopilot, stabiliser or elevators was present?

Not so stupid latest. Apologies for my impetuous colleagues!

Bally,

The EMB145 is however a T-tailed twin jet with rear mounted engines. How would that react ??

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Incident happened on departure from BFS. Initially they couldn't pitch forward, and declared an Emergency on the Tower frequency. Transferred to a discreet frequency, and bust their cleared level.

Eventually levelled-off at approx. 11,000 feet, and then descended, and couldn't level-off until approx. FL075!

The crew expressed their concern that this was similar to another incident recently on another -145 from another operator.

Whilst I don't doubt that the crew did a good job, I was wondering whether their decision to continue all the way to MAN was a sound one. With a control difficulty such as that, I would have thought that Land ASAP would have been the better decision. They seemed to have regained sufficient control whilst still over N. Ireland. Comments??

They wouldn't have continued to destination unless the had identified and sorted the problem. Full stop. I've no experience on the E145, but it sounds to me as though it was a trim motor running away which is easily cured by pulling the relative CB. If this was the problem, manual trim would still be available and onward flight without the use of the autopilot a relative non event. Hopefully !!

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