A320s operating on North Atlantic routes
 

Hello,

Just wondering if anyone knows or knew of any A320s that operated routes across the atlantic.

Thanks,

Yes, a danish company did in 1991/92. Conair which later became part of Premiair and MyTravel (Scandinavia) flew from Oslo, Stockholm and Copenhagen to Gander (fuel stop/crew change) and further on to Fort Lauderdale and destination in the Caribian

Canada 3000 also flew the A320 during the summer between Canada and Scandinavia several years back with a tech stop in Keflavik.

Lufthansa also operate A319's from Germany to Newark for their business passengers. A company called Private Air fly the route for them.

Hey Shamrock111,

How are things in Eire?

I thought a company called Privatair were operating a Boeing BBJ on Lufthansa's LH408 nonstop business class only service from DUS to EWR.

Thanks guys for the other replies.

Regards,

ITF
I assume yr question is part of your project. At risk of "grannies & eggs" remember that the A320 would have different routings across the Atlantic as I believe it is not certified for ETOPS. Consequently the "Blue Spruce" routes would be used. (Page 3 and Chapter 11 in Nth Atl MNPSA Ops Manual refers.)
No doubt you will know (like 95% of Ppruners) that ETOPS is the acronym for Engines Turning Or Passengers Swimming!

Have a good Easter

PrivateAir operates 737s now, but has published plans to buy 319s for the LH-route DUS-Newark.

P77

They'll keep the BBJ for LH but add two new 319LRs as well. No ETOPS? Sure? Volkswagen have some VIP-Airbus in service on LR-routes as does DaimlerChrysler.

Didn't (or doesn't?) MON use the 320 to Orlando? I know a friend flew it a few yrs ago, at least.

PrivateAir will fly new LH all business-service from MUC to Newark most properbly with A319.

I don't know about 320's but there is at least one company operating 737-800 across the Atlantic and they are 120 min and 180 min ETOS

Sorry, I was clear whether the LH route (PrivatAir) DUS~EWR runs non-stop? Otherwise a technical stop at Shannon?

Without winging it on the specifications, A320s and 319s can be certified to 120 minute ETOPS, depending on the fit. Your local Airbus dealer can provide the CMP package if you're keen to try.

For example, Air Canada's older model 211s aren't certifiable for various reasons including cargo fire protection and back-up electrics. The 319s were ordered with the hardware with skinny oceanic routes in mind, but the certification process was never completed due to a rethink of the marketing plan (or whatever).

Only two of Canada 3000's fleet of six or so A320s were ETOPS capable.

For B737NGs, the ETOPS (up to 180 min) fit is an option as well. I know of at least one European operator who chose not to bother with the extra expense, since their route structure didn't require it.

Ciao

120mins ETOPS!
 

Would you need both Kef and Sondestrom as en-routes or would one do? Can't see much success for a sched operation if both required all winter.

With Goose Bay, KEF and SNN as alternates airports you can be 120 ETOPS you don't need any airports in Greenland to be open.

Anyone from Airbus' marketing area is probably grimacing, and from Boeing's is probably grinning: BBJ stands for Boeing Business Jet, I believe (although maybe it will turn into the standard - like the Poms call vacuum cleaners "Hoovers"), but is actually a modified 737-700 (with a modified -800 wing, I believe).

The PrivatAir/Lufthansa (for it is indeed a one-and-the-same joint effort) is an ACJ, short for Airbus Corporate Jet, modelled on the A319.

(careful doing range calculations based on the A319 data, as they may have different fuel capacities)

At this moment in time Lufthansa have a privatair Boeing BBJ on the Dusseldorf-Newark route (HB-IIQ) and I believe are about to start Munich-JFK or Newark with an A319CJ (D-APAA). Also according to Manchester airport timetables, Skyservice of Canada are about to start A320 flights. regards clive.

Just to check something similar to what you´ve ben talking about,

is there anyone else operating 737-200 across the big lake as we usually do?

Best regards,

PP

...at least some Airbus A320 family have had at least 120min type approval for ETOPS since at least 1996. CFM and IAE. I'm pretty sure it's earlier than that in fact...

US Air operates both A319/A320 EOWs with 120 minute time