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Speedwinner 24th Mar 2024 18:34

A320: Loss of G+B System
 
Hello fellows,

quick one: on the G+B loss Ecam says: do not use Speedbrake. I know why, but do they really deploy when you pull it or do we get a caution and nothing happens?

Thanks

SW

vilas 25th Mar 2024 06:15


Originally Posted by Speedwinner (Post 11622723)
Hello fellows,

quick one: on the G+B loss Ecam says: do not use Speedbrake. I know why, but do they really deploy when you pull it or do we get a caution and nothing happens?

Thanks

SW

With G+B fail speed brake 2&4 is available and deploy if used. That's why.

Sim25 25th Mar 2024 14:52

No, speedbrake is inhibited, if the lever is moved nothing happens...

Hope I could help

Simon

CHAPARRAL 25th Mar 2024 16:34

Hi Simon, sorry you’re not correct.
From FCOM DISC-27-10-20 “Speedbrake extension is inhibited, if one of the following occurs:
- SEC1and SEC3 both are faulty, or
- An elevator (L or R) is faulty, or
- Angle-of-attack protection is faulty, or
- Flaps are in configuration FULL, or
- Thrust levers are above MCT position, or
- Alpha Floor is activated.”
Cheers.

Sim25 25th Mar 2024 16:53

When GB is lost you end in single elevator operation :)

Speedwinner 28th Mar 2024 14:50

yes I know. Tried it in the sim. There’s a speedbrake fault, it does not extend



Originally Posted by vilas (Post 11622906)
With G+B fail speed brake 2&4 is available and deploy if used. That's why.


Sim25 30th Mar 2024 09:25


Originally Posted by Speedwinner (Post 11625286)
yes I know. Tried it in the sim. There’s a speedbrake fault, it does not extend

Just out of curiosity: Next time you are in the sim, try the following (if they let you): G-B fail, as you already did and then switch off ELAC2. SEC becomes active on elevator and then try again deploying the Speedbrakes.

Cheers

Speedwinner 31st Mar 2024 04:56

And then it will extend? So airbus is covering the case that the sec takes over control?

vilas 31st Mar 2024 07:04


Originally Posted by Speedwinner (Post 11626687)
And then it will extend? So airbus is covering the case that the sec takes over control?

G+B fail both ailerons are lost so spoilers 2&4 are only flight controls for bank. So may they are inhibited as speed brakes or don't deploy if you are banking.

Speedwinner 31st Mar 2024 07:21

Got that. But why do they write „do not use“ into the status?

Sim25 31st Mar 2024 08:23


Originally Posted by Speedwinner (Post 11626687)
And then it will extend? So airbus is covering the case that the sec takes over control?

I would then expect spoiler 2 to follow the order and spoiler 4 stays inhibited. That’s most likely why the ecam memo/fault whatever is generated…


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