A320 and NADP 2
Hi,
It has been some years since I flew on the A320, and I have a question regarding the NADP 2 departure, and how the Airbus does it. After passing 800 (or what ever thrust reduction altitude the airline has as a policy), the thrust is brought back to the climb detent. The aircraft accelerates and flaps are retracted on schedule. Now, when the aircraft is "clean" and still below 3000 AAE, I seem to remember the aircraft accelerating to 250, and did not maintain Green Dot for the climb below 3000 ft AAE. Could some one help me out here? Many thanks. |
Originally Posted by dcoded
(Post 11560517)
Hi,
It has been some years since I flew on the A320, and I have a question regarding the NADP 2 departure, and how the Airbus does it. After passing 800 (or what ever thrust reduction altitude the airline has as a policy), the thrust is brought back to the climb detent. The aircraft accelerates and flaps are retracted on schedule. Now, when the aircraft is "clean" and still below 3000 AAE, I seem to remember the aircraft accelerating to 250, and did not maintain Green Dot for the climb below 3000 ft AAE. Could some one help me out here? Many thanks. |
Originally Posted by 321XLR
(Post 11560525)
It is rare, to ever see Green Dot as the "target climb speed" below 10, and for sure not above 10. In most cases, it will target 250 below ten. Most departures have altitude and airspeed contraints on them. Above ten, climb speed is largely dictated by Cost Index
But isn´t this in "violation" of the NADP 2? I thought that "enroute climb speed" should be set after 3000 ft? Enroute climb speed below 10000 is usually 250 kt |
FMS SETUP :
THR RED : 1000’ AAL ACC ALT : 1000’ AAL Preselect Climb Speed : G dot speed After Take-off : At ACC ALT, accelerate towards GDOT speed and at the initiation of the first FLAPS/ SLATS retraction set Climb Thrust, Continue climb at GDOT speed till 3000’ AAL. Resume Normal Speed schedule. |
Originally Posted by Black Pudding
(Post 11560572)
FMS SETUP :
THR RED : 1000’ AAL ACC ALT : 1000’ AAL Preselect Climb Speed : G dot speed After Take-off : At ACC ALT, accelerate towards GDOT speed and at the initiation of the first FLAPS/ SLATS retraction set Climb Thrust, Continue climb at GDOT speed till 3000’ AAL. Resume Normal Speed schedule. So if this is not done, the aircraft will not fly an "NADP 2", is this correct? |
Where I fly, our OMB says to accelerate to climb speed which is 250 kts. I always wondered about it as indeed it is not fully compliant with NADP 2.
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We do as above, just preselect a climb speed of Green Dot + 5kts so after clean up the aircraft will climb at the preselected speed. At 3000 manage the speed and it will accelerate to 250kts.
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Agreed, NADP2 to the letter means flying green dot(-ish) until 3K.
The previous good operator would use 1500 ThrRED+AccALT -the devices become fully retracted only around 2800' AAL thus we never cared. My personal choice would be 800+800 and SPD SEL 210 on the PERF CLB pg. |
Originally Posted by dcoded
(Post 11560517)
Hi,
It has been some years since I flew on the A320, and I have a question regarding the NADP 2 departure, and how the Airbus does it. After passing 800 (or what ever thrust reduction altitude the airline has as a policy), the thrust is brought back to the climb detent. The aircraft accelerates and flaps are retracted on schedule. Now, when the aircraft is "clean" and still below 3000 AAE, I seem to remember the aircraft accelerating to 250, and did not maintain Green Dot for the climb below 3000 ft AAE. Could some one help me out here? Many thanks. GETTING TO GRIPS WITH NOISE A bit of Christmas 🎅 reading 😄 |
It’s been a while since I flew Airbus, and it was 330, but I swear we used to put 1000/3000 for thrust reduction/ acceleration for NADP2?
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Well, that's NADP 1... But technically, it complies with both, so why not :E
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Originally Posted by STBYRUD
(Post 11561191)
Well, that's NADP 1... But technically, it complies with both, so why not :E
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Originally Posted by sonicbum
(Post 11560974)
Section 5.2 states: POSSIBLE ACTIONS FOR AIRLINE AND AIRFRAMER Considering the above, each operator may freely:
Somehow we have got away with that :ok: I guess for fuel economy its the best to be done and accelerate to enroute climb speed as soon as possible? |
V(zero-flap) would be Vls(clean) or quite agreeably GD or somewhere just below GD+20 (IAE engines max endurance).
Not the S speed. Pedantic, but you asked for it. |
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