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sm165019117 3rd Nov 2023 10:18

Use of flight director BOEING 777
 
when the flight director is not required, the pilots in left and right seat
should reset it according to the procedures:
Flight Director Switches (Both) .......................................OFF PM
Flight Director Switch ......................................................... ON PM

what's the purpose of turning PM's FD ON?

Mr Good Cat 3rd Nov 2023 20:02


Originally Posted by sm165019117 (Post 11532480)
when the flight director is not required, the pilots in left and right seat
should reset it according to the procedures:
Flight Director Switches (Both) .......................................OFF PM
Flight Director Switch ......................................................... ON PM

what's the purpose of turning PM's FD ON?

EDIT: Ignore previous... Just remembered it's to ensure the FDs stay displayed when TOGA mode finishes (other mode selected / becomes active). They will auto pop-up with FD switch off, but disappear again later.

sm165019117 4th Nov 2023 03:51

thanks for answering, could do you explain when pm side turning on, the FMA is changed showing "ATT" what' s this used for?

sm165019117 4th Nov 2023 03:52


Originally Posted by Mr Good Cat (Post 11532814)
EDIT: Ignore previous... Just remembered it's to ensure the FDs stay displayed when TOGA mode finishes (other mode selected / becomes active). They will auto pop-up with FD switch off, but disappear again later.

thanks for answering, could do you explain when pm side turning on, the FMA is changed showing "ATT" what' s this used for?

skkm 4th Nov 2023 04:09

When both F/Ds are turned off, the FMAs will be blank and no (vertical/lateral) modes active. When a F/D is then turned on, it has to go to some default mode. With wings close to level (<5º bank), that will be TRK HOLD | V/S; beyond 5º it will be ATT | V/S, to approximate the existing flight path until other modes are selected.

sm165019117 4th Nov 2023 04:24


Originally Posted by skkm (Post 11532997)
When both F/Ds are turned off, the FMAs will be blank and no (vertical/lateral) modes active. When a F/D is then turned on, it has to go to some default mode. With wings close to level (<5º bank), that will be TRK HOLD | V/S; beyond 5º it will be ATT | V/S, to approximate the existing flight path until other modes are selected.

Thanks a lot, that's exactly what i want to learn, could you give me more details or where i can find more? by the way, when the v/s mode activity, will it be changed by attitude changed? or just stuck at the moment when turning one side FD on?

sm165019117 4th Nov 2023 04:24

Thanks a lot, that's exactly what i want to learn, could you give me more details or where i can find more? by the way, when the v/s mode activity, will it be changed by attitude changed? or just stuck at the moment when turning one side FD on?

skkm 4th Nov 2023 04:39

That's basically all the FCOM says. If the bank angle is greater than 30º it will command a roll back to 30º, otherwise maintain the bank angle and V/S that existed at the time the F/D was switched on. So, when you do that while the PF is flying a visual approach, the flight director indications very quickly become irrelevant as it's trying to maintain what was happening at that instant. As Good Cat said, the purpose of turning the PM's F/D back on is simply so that the (useful) indications are not lost during a missed approach when the TO/GA mode ends. In most other situations, immediately after turning on the F/D you would make another selection and not remain in ATT.

sm165019117 4th Nov 2023 12:11

very useful, thanks for helping.

Quixote0225 5th Nov 2023 22:57


Originally Posted by sm165019117 (Post 11532480)
when the flight director is not required, the pilots in left and right seat
should reset it according to the procedures:
Flight Director Switches (Both) .......................................OFF PM
Flight Director Switch ......................................................... ON PM

what's the purpose of turning PM's FD ON?

it’s for SPD. It turns on V/S vertical mode, thus the autothrottle will maintain the speed and you can use until touchdown

Fursty Ferret 6th Nov 2023 12:00


Originally Posted by Quixote0225 (Post 11534066)
it’s for SPD. It turns on V/S vertical mode, thus the autothrottle will maintain the speed and you can use until touchdown

Shouldn't the auto thrust change to SPD with flight directors off anyway?

mbcxharm 6th Nov 2023 21:47


Originally Posted by Fursty Ferret (Post 11534323)
Shouldn't the auto thrust change to SPD with flight directors off anyway?

Correct. The first action (flight directors off) ensures the autothrottle either remains in, or switches to SPD (very easy to demonstrate this from e.g. HOLD / (roll mode) / FLCH SPD).
The second action (PM flight director on) ensures continued go-around guidance as has been stated.

It’s in the circling approach (and maybe other) sections of the FCTM.


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