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felixthecat 16th May 2023 21:35

MRC speed vs Cost Index
 
Just trying to get something straight in my mind….

Assuming still air will MRC give the same speed as Cost index 0?

ScepticalOptomist 16th May 2023 22:51

This may help:

https://www.boeing.com/commercial/ae...icle_05_3.html

felixthecat 17th May 2023 02:21


Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist (Post 11435764)

Thank you for the link, unfortunately that was partialy where my question had come from originally when I had read it.

ScepticalOptomist 17th May 2023 04:39


Originally Posted by felixthecat (Post 11435801)
Thank you for the link, unfortunately that was partialy where my question had come from originally when I had read it.

Oops. 🤣

My understanding is that you are correct.

Bullethead 17th May 2023 09:37

Isn’t Cost Index Zero max endurance which is not necessarily max range?

Cheers,
BH.

mustafagander 17th May 2023 10:44

Cost Index, CI, allows for all costs while MRC is solely about maximising the range achieved with the fuel available. Hence they are unlikely to be the same speed.

felixthecat 17th May 2023 18:32

CI = time costs per hr/fuel cost per lb. With CI 0 it is that other incidental costs are irrelivent, only fuel cost is relivent. Hence my question, in effect is CI 0 giving MRC in still air?

pineteam 18th May 2023 02:45


Originally Posted by Bullethead (Post 11435944)
Isn’t Cost Index Zero max endurance which is not necessarily max range?

Cheers,
BH.

CI 0 = max range. Green Dot speed = Max endurance.
LRC if I remember correctly you lose like 1% of max range compare to CI 0 but gain like 3% on the speed.

mbcxharm 18th May 2023 04:32


Originally Posted by felixthecat (Post 11436187)
CI = time costs per hr/fuel cost per lb. With CI 0 it is that other incidental costs are irrelivent, only fuel cost is relivent. Hence my question, in effect is CI 0 giving MRC in still air?

Correct.

Boeing FCTM: “Entry of zero for cost index results in maximumrange cruise.”

felixthecat 18th May 2023 14:22

Thanks for the clarification :)

felixthecat 18th May 2023 14:24


Originally Posted by pineteam (Post 11436308)
CI 0 = max range. Green Dot speed = Max endurance.
LRC if I remember correctly you lose like 1% of max range compare to CI 0 but gain like 3% on the speed.

You are correct LRC is MRC -1%. The trade between the increased speed and the reduced range is considered acceptable.

Private jet 29th May 2023 21:25

LRC was created by Boeing back before FMC's, ECON speeds & cost index computer data analysis. It provided an average compromise between fuel consumption & hourly operating cost that was very good for it's time. Speed wise I think it was Mmr Mach plus 5%.


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