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RocknRola87 28th Sep 2022 13:34

Fmc stab trim changes when using atm on the 737max
 
Hi guys! Since the introduction of the MAX on our fleet I’ve noticed that the FMC stab trim changes when entering an assumed temperature (we don’t use DERATE), whereas this doesn’t happen on the NG’s. Any thoughts why ?

Skyjob 30th Sep 2022 17:39


Originally Posted by RocknRola87 (Post 11304245)
Hi guys! Since the introduction of the MAX on our fleet I’ve noticed that the FMC stab trim changes when entering an assumed temperature (we don’t use DERATE), whereas this doesn’t happen on the NG’s. Any thoughts why ?

It also does so on NG

RocknRola87 30th Sep 2022 17:45

Yep but later on and the change is only in the order of 0.01 unit , i guess had to do with APU fuel consumption which decreases a little bit the take off weight , on the MAX it happens instantly when you put an assumed temperature !

hans brinker 1st Oct 2022 02:26


Originally Posted by RocknRola87 (Post 11304245)
Hi guys! Since the introduction of the MAX on our fleet I’ve noticed that the FMC stab trim changes when entering an assumed temperature (we don’t use DERATE), whereas this doesn’t happen on the NG’s. Any thoughts why ?

Lower ANU moment with higher assumed temperature due to lower thrust? And calculations weren't as accurate back in the NG days, or NG has less thrust couple? Just taking a stab at it....

MechEngr 1st Oct 2022 09:05


Originally Posted by hans brinker (Post 11305929)
Lower ANU moment with higher assumed temperature due to lower thrust? And calculations weren't as accurate back in the NG days, or NG has less thrust couple? Just taking a stab at it....

I think the geometric thrust line of the MAX is nearly a foot, vertically, closer to the fuselage center line and that drag=thrust means the couple should be less.


If there's an effect of engine I'd consider looking into if it's from the larger bypass ratio as more air will be passing through the fan and not having heat added to it making the thrust more sensitive to the density of the air. Also, in increased density conditions the CL required is lower so the trim should also change; if the density goes down then a higher CL is needed - also a trim change.


Perhaps the better question is why the delay on the NG? Maybe with the smaller bypass ratio the effects tended to cancel?


I know - more questions than answers.

FullWings 1st Oct 2022 09:40


Originally Posted by RocknRola87 (Post 11304245)
Hi guys! Since the introduction of the MAX on our fleet I’ve noticed that the FMC stab trim changes when entering an assumed temperature (we don’t use DERATE), whereas this doesn’t happen on the NG’s. Any thoughts why ?

Don’t worry, it’s just the undocumented FMCAS doing it’s job. Unless it goes all the way forward. Then worry.


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