Lateral Offsets (SLOP)
ICAO Doc 4444; §16.5.3
The routes or airspace where application of strategic lateral offsets is authorized, and the procedures to be followed by pilots, shall be promulgated in aeronautical information publications (AIPs). Is there a circular I’m missing or something else I’m completely missing? Someone asked me how do you know where you can apply SLOP, and just giving a blanket statement of “non-radar, remote or oceanic airspace” isn’t always true. There has to be guidance and I’m not finding any. Any help? Thanks |
No help but just a comment; In the days before improved IRSs with GPS; aircraft were "scattered" either side of oceanic airways, owing to poorer navigational accuracy - resulting in random lateral offsets. It is the improved accuracy and reliability of laser ring gyro IRSs coupled with GPS that makes track keeping so much more accurate and therefore SLOP sometimes desirable.
If you unofficially applied SLOP of just 1 or 2 nm over the Ocean, who is going to either notice or care? (as long as you remember to cancel the SLOP after the crossing). |
I found this from Japan's country RAR's in Lido:
3.94.7.3. Strategic Lateral Offset Procedure (SLOP)SLOP shall only be applied in the oceanic control area over the Pacific Ocean within the Fukuoka FIR. |
Originally Posted by Uplinker
(Post 11291703)
If you unofficially applied SLOP of just 1 or 2 nm over the Ocean, who is going to either notice or care? (as long as you remember to cancel the SLOP after the crossing).
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Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
(Post 11291819)
For one, ATC will be aware you are offset !
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If you’re only a tenth of a mile or a few tenths right, how would they know you’re doing SLOP or maybe you’re just … sloppy?
I had to say it. |
Originally Posted by Uplinker
(Post 11291703)
No help but just a comment; In the days before improved IRSs with GPS; aircraft were "scattered" either side of oceanic airways, owing to poorer navigational accuracy - resulting in random lateral offsets. It is the improved accuracy and reliability of laser ring gyro IRSs coupled with GPS that makes track keeping so much more accurate and therefore SLOP sometimes desirable.
If you unofficially applied SLOP of just 1 or 2 nm over the Ocean, who is going to either notice or care? (as long as you remember to cancel the SLOP after the crossing). Regarding improved navigational accuracy - true. This has flowed through to non-surveillance ATC separation standards so that reduced tolerances can be applied to suitably equipped aircraft with commensurately qualified crew. |
Got pounced on by ATC in the middle of Australia once for deviating half a mile right of the centreline to avoid a CB without permission!
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Originally Posted by Fly3
(Post 11292167)
Got pounced on by ATC in the middle of Australia once for deviating half a mile right of the centreline to avoid a CB without permission!
Once in Oceanic Control Area, slop away, up to 2 miles right. |
Ah yes, "ATC in the middle of Australia", part of the second best ATC system in the world.
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But if you're in the middle of nowhere over the ocean - as I specified. That was my point.
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Originally Posted by Storm Girl
(Post 11292289)
Ah yes, "ATC in the middle of Australia", part of the second best ATC system in the world.
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Flying between NZAA-RKSI a small deviation ( less than one mile) around a developing CB near Noumea had Brisbane ATC send a CPDLC message, "Report back on track", Big brother is watching you!
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Originally Posted by dual land
(Post 11291812)
I found this from Japan's country RAR's in Lido:
3.94.7.3. Strategic Lateral Offset Procedure (SLOP)SLOP shall only be applied in the oceanic control area over the Pacific Ocean within the Fukuoka FIR. |
Originally Posted by Uplinker
(Post 11292298)
But if you're in the middle of nowhere over the ocean - as I specified. That was my point.
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Originally Posted by zlin77
(Post 11292667)
Flying between NZAA-RKSI a small deviation ( less than one mile) around a developing CB near Noumea had Brisbane ATC send a CPDLC message, "Report back on track", Big brother is watching you!
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Originally Posted by compressor stall
(Post 11292283)
Aussie AIP ENR 3 refers. Once in Oceanic Control Area, slop away, up to 2 miles right.
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Originally Posted by dual land
(Post 11291812)
I found this from Japan's country RAR's in Lido:
3.94.7.3. Strategic Lateral Offset Procedure (SLOP)SLOP shall only be applied in the oceanic control area over the Pacific Ocean within the Fukuoka FIR. |
Originally Posted by AIRdomination
(Post 11297847)
I'm not familiar with Lido? What is that?
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Point taken but I don't think flying in the congested airspace over Europe can be compared with crossing the GAFA on an airway 8 miles wide and no other aircraft with a thousand miles of you.
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