Airbus 320 new SOPs
For those who are implementing the new Airbus 320 SOPs
Changing the wording from Smokes to smoke/fumes is a improvement Wondering how they are working for you? Are they better for you or not? What do these changes in the FCOM have to do with the new A321 NEO FCOM? Re PRO-NOR-TSK Dont see how now having the CM2 doing the battery check and starting is a improvement? So now as the CM2 is the one always starting the APU, the Captain starting the APU is a SOP incompliance according to the Airbus SOPs. Also only the CM2 (FO) aligns the IRs, interested to hear from the genius at Airbus behind this change. Makes me miss Boeing The Captain is now the one that FM database validity. Such a genius new SOP change from Airbus. (?) why re-invent the wheel again? A penny for your thoughts. |
We did not implement the new SOP yet but I agree some of these changes are unnecessary IMHO. But I have to say I’m looking forward to use the new shorter checklist! =)
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Originally Posted by pineteam
(Post 11227788)
We did not implement the new SOP yet but I agree some of these changes are unnecessary IMHO. But I have to say I’m looking forward to use the new shorter checklist! =)
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It'd be interesting to go back to airbus SOP. At my company, whoever gets to the plane first aligns the IRS. Whoever gets hot/cold first starts the APU, and both pilots check the database.
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We have been using new airbus SOPs, briefings and checklists since december 2021, everythings works well and more comfortable. Lots of things should now be discussed ,especially during preflight (prelim and cocpit prep parts). But they deleted After t/o climb checklist, imho very safety related one. I.e. l/g up should be checked;)
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Originally Posted by Check Airman
(Post 11227816)
My company doesn't use Airbus procedures, but I'd be interested to see your new shorter checklist.
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Originally Posted by Sergei.a320
(Post 11227826)
We have been using new airbus SOPs, briefings and checklists since december 2021, everythings works well and more comfortable. Lots of things should now be discussed ,especially during preflight (prelim and cocpit prep parts). But they deleted After t/o climb checklist, imho very safety related one. I.e. l/g up should be checked;)
-CABIN CREW…Advised -A/THR…. SPEED/OFF -Autobrake… As required -BARO REF… SET (both) - ECAM MEMO….Landing no blue With the new checklist, a proper monitoring from both pilots is enough IMHO. We had cases of crew forgetting to retract the gears even so it was acknowledged “up” by the PF after PM read it on the checklist. Or another case they will do the checklist then realised the gears are still down and then retract above 220kt.. I’m happy they removed the after take off climb checklist. All we have to do is to train the pilots to add in their scan the landing gears indicators lights after selection of flaps zero. |
IMHO a vast improvement.
there is always a reason why something was changed. More often than not a good or clever reason. Ask your training department. They should have the info. |
I've always wondered why companies use their SOP as opposed to the OEM SOP. Why do some people think they know better than the guys who actually made the machine?
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Originally Posted by T54A
(Post 11227911)
I've always wondered why companies use their SOP as opposed to the OEM SOP. Why do some people think they know better than the guys who actually made the machine?
In making changes to SOPs many operators CAMO departments et al, will be talking to the manufacturer anyway. |
Originally Posted by T54A
(Post 11227911)
I've always wondered why companies use their SOP as opposed to the OEM SOP. Why do some people think they know better than the guys who actually made the machine?
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Originally Posted by T54A
(Post 11227911)
I've always wondered why companies use their SOP as opposed to the OEM SOP. Why do some people think they know better than the guys who actually made the machine?
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Originally Posted by compressor stall
(Post 11228090)
A good lesson in why not to do it. https://www.atsb.gov.au/media/793232/ao2007044.pdf
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Originally Posted by Sergei.a320
(Post 11227826)
We have been using new airbus SOPs, briefings and checklists since december 2021, everythings works well and more comfortable. Lots of things should now be discussed ,especially during preflight (prelim and cocpit prep parts). But they deleted After t/o climb checklist, imho very safety related one. I.e. l/g up should be checked;)
I must be getting old... it's weird taking off and not calling for any kind of checklist! |
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Originally Posted by pineteam
(Post 11227899)
I’m happy about it actually. Let’s be honnest this aircraft is so well designed that you could fly it safely without any checklist if the crew were properly trained and were following SOP strictly. All the critical items are monitored and displayed on the memo, PFD and ND( WX radar& PWS). I mean for example the current landing check list in my outfit :
Not a big deal if not advised, gears down is their trigger. Lol.. Really? You don’t know the status of your A/THR??! Should have been briefed and set already during approach preparation. Also, when PM set gears down he should confirm the Autobrake status by SOP. Ok this one is critical but already mentioned just before in the approach checklist… The only one I agree is kind of necessary on the landing checklist. With the new checklist, a proper monitoring from both pilots is enough IMHO. We had cases of crew forgetting to retract the gears even so it was acknowledged “up” by the PF after PM read it on the checklist. Or another case they will do the checklist then realised the gears are still down and then retract above 220kt.. I’m happy they removed the after take off climb checklist. All we have to do is to train the pilots to add in their scan the landing gears indicators lights after selection of flaps zero. |
Originally Posted by Check Airman
(Post 11228313)
Thanks. Any idea why they removed ATHR from the landing checklist?
Know the FMA and A/THR mode at all time. Not specific to landing. Desicion: Line is deleted." |
Originally Posted by T54A
(Post 11227911)
I've always wondered why companies use their SOP as opposed to the OEM SOP. Why do some people think they know better than the guys who actually made the machine?
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Originally Posted by Sergei.a320
(Post 11228337)
So when Airbus published SB that there would be changes to FCOM /FCTM/QRH/ CHECKLIST , there was an additional document with explanation of every change in checklist. There was a table with related risks of every item in C/L (ACFT damage, Human injure etc.) I have this one but I'm unable to attach it here. I think there all the answers to ur questions.
Interesting! Thanks. Any chance you can email me this document? If yes please PM me and I will give you my email. Cheers. =) |
Originally Posted by pineteam
(Post 11228342)
Hi Sergei.
Interesting! Thanks. Any change you can email me this document? If yes please PM me and I will give you my email. Cheers. =) |
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