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tcasblue 21st Jun 2021 17:06

Smart throttle
 
A single throttle lever that controls both engines with reverse thrust and airbrake controls integrated into the lever.

This is what the Falcon 10X will have.

dixi188 21st Jun 2021 18:03

WHY?
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

tdracer 21st Jun 2021 18:29

I foresee a problem complying with 25.903(b):

(b) Engine isolation. The powerplants must be arranged and isolated from each other to allow operation, in at least one configuration, so that the failure or malfunction of any engine, or of any system that can affect the engine, will not -

(1) Prevent the continued safe operation of the remaining engines; or

(2) Require immediate action by any crewmember for continued safe operation.
With a single lever, how will you provide isolation for a failure or jam of that lever assembly?
It would also make intentional asymmetric thrust rather difficult (such as setting a malfunctioning engine at idle to provide electric and hydraulics, while actually flying the aircraft with the other)
As dixi notes, what problem are they trying to solve?

Private jet 21st Jun 2021 18:31

dixi188

The same could be said about living in a cave I suppose...

Moo Driver 21st Jun 2021 18:47

Or having someone in a control tower

Private jet 21st Jun 2021 20:06

tdracer

On the aircraft type I used to fly there was a "sync switch" that would make one of the thrust levers the controlling one and you could move the other anywhere and it makes no difference, same principle can be applied here.

tdracer 21st Jun 2021 20:46

Yea, but that's with two levers.
What we are talking about is:

A single throttle lever that controls both engines with reverse thrust and airbrake controls integrated into the lever.
So there is nothing to separate...

Check Airman 21st Jun 2021 21:04

WiFi reception will be bad in caverns without a router. That’s reason enough to not live in a cave.

Private jet 21st Jun 2021 21:23

tdracer

lol. I'm sure it will be thought through though, with reversion and abnormal procedures in place..

Pugilistic Animus 21st Jun 2021 21:52

They've lost their minds again.

ScepticalOptomist 21st Jun 2021 22:11

Private jet

Why would that be useful? Most of my time is on heavy twin jets, and I don’t know why I would want that setup?

tdracer 21st Jun 2021 22:30

Private jet

So, like the original implementation of MCAS :ugh:

Aside from falling afoul of the regulations - in addition to the 25.903(b), there is 25.901(c) - no single failure shall result in an unsafe condition (at best, it's going to require an "Equivalent Level of Safety" finding), I fail to see any advantages aside from a slight reduction in manufacturing costs. OTOH and can see numerous drawbacks.
What problem are they trying to correct?
We moved out of caves and into buildings because it was a better solution. I fail to see how going to a single thrust lever for a twin engine aircraft is in anyway a better solution.

Check Airman 22nd Jun 2021 00:57

What problem would this new setup solve?

megan 22nd Jun 2021 02:40

Dassault have experience with the system through the same set up in the Rafale fighter. Details are elusive, other than this comment from a pilot report.

Taxi speed is easily controlled, because the residual ground thrust is limited by keeping both "mini-throttles" (acting as low-pressure cocks) in the "idle" position before setting them to "normal" for take-off

stilton 22nd Jun 2021 02:56

In a single seat fighter I suppose there’s some rationale for this gadget


In a civilian biz jet it’s just technology for its own sake

slacktide 22nd Jun 2021 03:19

Check Airman

Kegworth is the first thing that comes to mind. We'll be at the pilot+dog cockpit team before you know it. Touch a flight control, that mutt will bite you HARD.

Further details on the implementation here. https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...-autothrottles

Check Airman 22nd Jun 2021 04:35

Wasn't that the accident where the wrong engine was shut down?

Denti 22nd Jun 2021 06:17

I believe they want to move to a PFD-HUD which makes the space in the panel for the former PFD usable for other things. Will be interesting to see if that works.

FullWings 22nd Jun 2021 07:59

There are many occasions where differential thrust is useful/required, such as turning on the runway. How do you do that with only one lever?

swh 22nd Jun 2021 07:59

tdracer

The single lever will be the primary method to control the thrust in normal operations, there are secondary controls which will enable individual controls in non normal situations, it will also feature the auto recovery to straight and level like the Avidyne DFC90 autopilot.


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