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Should just be a volume control. That goes up to 11, of course...
Can’t count the number of times I’ve wanted “lodium” setting. |
Originally Posted by FlightDetent
(Post 10835919)
you win the Internet today, sir |
Originally Posted by Fursty Ferret
(Post 10836073)
Should just be a volume control. That goes up to 11, of course...
Can’t count the number of times I’ve wanted “lodium” setting. [img]blob:https://www.pprune.org/ab10eb80-8c41-40e0-9128-b68b4343eea3[/img] |
Originally Posted by Uplinker
(Post 10835884)
It is spoken: "Flap three". (I heard of one TRE who insisted on "Flaps three" :ugh::mad: )
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Not by me :)
I was told of a TRE in our company conducting a SIM session and insisting that one should say 'flaps.....', not 'flap.....' I think there are rather more important things to worry about than that. @FlightDetent; yes, the Boeing auto-brake selector is what I had in mind. |
That reminds me of one company that insisted the call out for the fully retracted position of the flaps was “zero” and not “up”, because the lever said “0”.
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Originally Posted by Check Airman
(Post 10836658)
That reminds me of one company that insisted the call out for the fully retracted position of the flaps was “zero” and not “up”, because the lever said “0”.
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After I wrote that, I started to wonder what was written on the lever on the bus. We say “flap/flaps up”. Haven’t come across a language problem so far (unless Texan is a language), but point taken.
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It is inconsistent, the lever says FLAPS but the label on the screen says FLAP.
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Originally Posted by Max Angle
(Post 10836721)
It is inconsistent, the lever says FLAPS but the label on the screen says FLAP.
Sounds a far stretch even by my standards, perhaps it is a French thing. |
I couldn’t give a rats about FLAP or FLAPS (although Airbus want the plural as per the FCOM), but I do care about Zero vs UP.
You call the position of the Flap, 0,1,2,3 Full. Gear is binary, DOWN or UP. Also, to mind there’s less chance of confusion or mishearing. The word UP or DOWN can only be attributed to one action. That said I acknowledge that Flaps UP has been around for years in the B camp. Not saying it’s wrong, just that it can only be better having a verb associated with one item. After all the flap lever is a flap shape and the gear lever a wheel shape for a reason. |
That is an important angle. There was an action slip incident where upon getting airborne the PM retracted the flaps instead of raising the gear.
Airbuses more often than not depart with F=1, imagine the statistics if the call for retracting them had been Flaps UP as opposed to today's Flaps ZERO. |
Originally Posted by FlightDetent
(Post 10836975)
That is an important angle. There was an action slip incident where upon getting airborne the PM retracted the flaps instead of raising the gear.
Airbuses more often than not depart with F=1, imagine the statistics if the call for retracting them had been Flaps UP as opposed to today's Flaps ZERO. |
You might get quite an interesting and unexpected demonstration of low speed protections and alpha lock 😬
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Originally Posted by WhatShortage
(Post 10837038)
Won't crash neither happen anything dangerous.. Flaps zero at not the proper speed? No problem, the bus is in charge and won't do "much"
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Originally Posted by FlightDetent
(Post 10836975)
That is an important angle. There was an action slip incident where upon getting airborne the PM retracted the flaps instead of raising the gear.
Airbuses more often than not depart with F=1, imagine the statistics if the call for retracting them had been Flaps UP as opposed to today's Flaps ZERO. |
Originally Posted by compressor stall
(Post 10836946)
I couldn’t give a rats about FLAP or FLAPS (although Airbus want the plural as per the FCOM), but I do care about Zero vs UP.
You call the position of the Flap, 0,1,2,3 Full. Gear is binary, DOWN or UP. Also, to mind there’s less chance of confusion or mishearing. The word UP or DOWN can only be attributed to one action. That said I acknowledge that Flaps UP has been around for years in the B camp. Not saying it’s wrong, just that it can only be better having a verb associated with one item. After all the flap lever is a flap shape and the gear lever a wheel shape for a reason. |
Guess you're right.
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FD
a very good point. Won't crash neither happen anything dangerous.. Flaps zero at not the proper speed? No problem, the bus is in charge and won't do "much" |
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