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A350 31st Mar 2020 11:24

Within 60% of landing distance
 
Firstly I have searched extensively through old posts and have failed to find the answer. Some post came close to the answer I am looking for but for some reason I’m still not quiet getting it.

My question:
According to CAT.POL.A.230 Landing-dry runways it states:

(a) The landing mass of the aeroplane determined in accordance with point CAT.POL.A.105(a) for the estimated time of landing at the destination aerodrome and at any alternate aerodrome shall allow a full-stop landing from 50 ft above the threshold:
(1) for turbojet-powered aeroplanes, within 60 % of the landing distance available (LDA);

So for example:
LDR= 1200m
1200 x 1.67 = 2004m
Runway= 3000m so no problem I can land.

Now if I read the above statement word for word. ‘Within 60% of the landing distance available (LDA)’
60% of my 3000m runway = 1800m.

Can someone explain what I’m missing here?

FlyingStone 31st Mar 2020 11:31

LDR (1200m) is less than 0.6 x LDA (1800m), so all is good.

H Peacock 31st Mar 2020 11:48

Yep, just as FlyingStone put it, your 1200m is 'within' the 60% of 3000, i.e. 1800m. You don't need to have 1.67 times the LDR (i.e. 2004m) to be within 60% of the 3000m.

A350 31st Mar 2020 12:43

Okay I think I may be starting to see where I’m misunderstanding this. When I read the ‘within 60% of the landing distance available’ I immediately get 60% of my runway in my example 1800m (60% of 3000m). Since my LDR required is 1200m I’m then applying the 60% correction to that figure and getting the 2004m. 2004m is what I’ve calculated I will land with but I need to land with 1800m, so it appears I’ve corrected both figures by 60% instead of calculating one. What do you think?

+TSRA 31st Mar 2020 13:42

Yeah, you're unnecessarily doubling the penalty.

The regulation requires correction to the Landing Distance Available (LDA), not the Landing Distance Required (LDR). LDA is the length of the runway, LDR is the distance it will take the aircraft to stop.

Think of it like this - you have to prove you can stop on the runway if the runway was shortened to 60% of its total length.

So:

Corrected LDA = 3,000m * 0.6 = 1,800m.
LDR = 1,200m

You're good to go as you have a spare 600m over what is required to stop the aircraft.

sonicbum 31st Mar 2020 14:22


Originally Posted by A350 (Post 10734520)
Okay I think I may be starting to see where I’m misunderstanding this. When I read the ‘within 60% of the landing distance available’ I immediately get 60% of my runway in my example 1800m (60% of 3000m). Since my LDR required is 1200m I’m then applying the 60% correction to that figure and getting the 2004m. 2004m is what I’ve calculated I will land with but I need to land with 1800m, so it appears I’ve corrected both figures by 60% instead of calculating one. What do you think?

To keep it easy :
At Dispatch stage take your aircraft published ALD (actual landing distance) and multiply by 1.67 for a DRY Runway. You should be at or below your runway LDA (Landing Distance Available).
Same for a wet runway, but multiply by 1.92.
Once you are done with dispatch then you start considering In Flight Landing Distances, i.e. you must fit in the runway. Your operator might consider an additional safety factor (factored landing distance) to be added to your ALD (15% extra).


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