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Clearance ATC Call UK
Could someone clarify why in the Major UK airports most of the UK based drivers when calling for startup after clearance 99% say something along the lines of “Callsign 123, PDC received, fully ready etc etc”. I’m being very pedantic here, but after a decade of this, it’s got to me. Firstly why state PDC received? ATC already know that by reading back clearance or confirming via ACARS. Is it SOP? Secondly (and this I really don’t understand). Why call “Fully ready”? You are either ready or you’re not ready. You cannot be partially ready. I’ve noticed the same call is made frequently to Tower Frequencies. Discuss! Oh and Happy New Year and Bah Humbug! |
The origin for the "fully ready" comes from the time when RDY message changed to REA message. Sadly it won't go away. Menawhile (perhaps outside UK) it also became the habitual short-hand used in lieu of "ready for immediate departure".
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I reckon one person said 'with PDC' and then its caught on from there, annoying I agree. Even if you notify the controller you have a clearance I bet they are checking their computer anyway before the release you for pushback.
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Maybe it’s because it’s the SOP call for airlines and also specified in many terminal plates too.... |
I don't. I usually say "Ground, Callsign123, stand 123 request push and start"
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In the LHR AOI it says to say “Fully ready” when speaking to delivery |
CAP 413
Stourton Ground, BIGJET 347, stand 24 information Bravo,QNH 1022 request start up I agree with Flyboy, bad and colloquial RT really winds me up, ready on reaching etc. There used to be a practice many years ago on Scottish Control where if a pilot called "standing by for descent" they just left you standing by, I thought it was brilliant! MM |
CAP 413 may say offer that as a generic example but as unusual_cheetah points out the AOI for LHR does state under Departure Procedures ....
"Becoming fully ready to start use the following phraseology: "(Call-sign) fully ready" |
What is LHR AOI and CAP 413 please?
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Also, let us not forget, some people call for start clearance and the push back tug is not even connected, just so they are in the queue.
FCO AOI clearly tells you the criteria to be "fully ready". |
In Asia the terminology « fully ready » is widely used. One ATC told me it means doors closed, tow truck ready. |
Originally Posted by unusual_cheetah
(Post 10652275)
In the LHR AOI it says to say “Fully ready” when speaking to delivery
2. GROUND MOVEMENT e. Start-up Procedures iii. Clearance Delivery 2. Voice RTF (aa) [...] may call for ATC clearance up to 15 minutes prior to be being fully ready to push-back. All other operators must be fully ready before calling on frequency. (ff) Regardless of clearance source, departing aircraft must report their aircraft type, stand number, QNH and the identification letter of the received ATIS information to 'Heathrow Delivery' when fully ready for pushback and start. BTW, it's their bolding. Somebody better call LSY to get their flight crew manuals in shape. ;) Perhaps there is hope yet (Airport CDM Implementation https://www.eurocontrol.int/sites/de...anual-2017.PDF): https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....601d31637a.png https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6c09f88bb8.png |
Can you ever be anything else than 'fully ready'? You either are or you're not, there is no 'almost ready'. The word 'fully' is a waste of R/T time.
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Originally Posted by FlightDetent
(Post 10652741)
Cannot find it in the UK AIP. https://www.aurora.nats.co.uk/htmlAI...dex-en-GB.html
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Interesting. I always thought '' Fully ready'' was a pleonasm.
Everytime Ground asked us if we were fully ready I was always tempted to reply: ''Negative we are 3/4 ready.'' xD |
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