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UltraFan 17th Sep 2019 06:03

Boeing 777 range with exit-limit pax
 
I keep seeing this number on Boeing 777 specs - exit limit 550 pax. And some Japanese airlines fly with the number close to it on non-ER -300. What would be the range of 777-300ER with full complement of 550 passengers and 20kg luggage allowance per capita, and appropriately stocked galley? I saw range charts for 777F but failed to find one for -300 or -300ER.

I'd be most grateful for any information.

Wizofoz 17th Sep 2019 06:12

Spit- balling here, BUT-

Typical DOW of around 180 tonnes.

550 pax = about 55 tonnes, so ZFW of 235T

MTOW of 350T, so 115T of fuel.

@ 8t per hour, 14hrs to dry tanks, so about 12.5 hrs with reserves, so a zero wind range of around 5000NM at a tas of 480.

UltraFan 18th Sep 2019 19:06

Thank you.

fdr 19th Sep 2019 14:13


Originally Posted by UltraFan (Post 10571824)
I keep seeing this number on Boeing 777 specs - exit limit 550 pax. And some Japanese airlines fly with the number close to it on non-ER -300. What would be the range of 777-300ER with full complement of 550 passengers and 20kg luggage allowance per capita, and appropriately stocked galley? I saw range charts for 777F but failed to find one for -300 or -300ER.

I'd be most grateful for any information.

NOT THIS ONE,,,,



https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....16d9383d9e.png

Wizofoz 19th Sep 2019 22:28

I think that graph is for a 300, not a 300ER.

DaveReidUK 20th Sep 2019 07:31


Originally Posted by Wizofoz (Post 10574054)
I think that graph is for a 300, not a 300ER.

It's neither, it's for a -200LR.

misd-agin 20th Sep 2019 13:34

Boeing website has this ^ information.

fdr 20th Sep 2019 14:08


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 10574245)
It's neither, it's for a -200LR.

that is the glossy from airport planning for the 200LR, my bad, picked up the wrong image....


THIS IS THE 300ER...


D6-58329-2 page 44/172


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....02757a0d4a.png

UltraFan 27th Sep 2019 15:16

Is it me not understanding or is this diagram showing that the more weight you have the farther you'll go? Look at it. 350K kg gross weight will fly 8,500nm but, for example, 272K kg will only fly 6,000. (The diagonal lines.)

Groundloop 27th Sep 2019 15:24

The chart states "Max. Zero Fuel Weight = 237,682KG" so for any value higher than this the extra mass is fuel. So 350K kg gross weight includes 78K kg more fuel on board than 272K kg.

Sorry, just noticed you seem to be using the other chart - but the principle is the same. The higher mass is extra fuel.

oggers 27th Sep 2019 17:30

1) Enter the chart on the left axis with zero fuel weight (in plain english the aircraft plus crew, pax and cargo) 2) Move horizontally to take-off weight (diagonal lines) the difference between 1 and 2 being fuel onboard at TO 3) Move down to read range.

The maximum range with maximum payload based on the chart provided is 5750 nautical air miles.

UltraFan 1st Nov 2019 04:02

Thanks to everyone who responded.


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