weather avoidance during oceanic crossings
What is your experience with weather avoidance during oceanic crossings, say in poor HF coverage?
Do you usually get clearance in time - and what procedures have helped you? thanks |
You divert while you obtain clearance.
Contingency procedures exist (climb/descend). |
Most modern airliners nowadays have Datalink (CPDLC) so receiving a clearance in the NAT HLA to divert around weather is not an issue. Been a long time since I was forced to use HF comms. However, you should make all attempts to receive a clearance prior to the event. If unable, then as SAFELIFE has stated you are authorised to follow the Contingency procedure for weather avoidance, whilst still attempting to receive a clearance.
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1. You request clearance 2. You deviate 3. You receive clearance 4. You are denied 2-3-4 are fully interchangeable as it’s known as PIC decision making. |
I’ve had to do quite a lot of deviation over the years, some of it authorised. You could be on a track system, airway or random route and each has their own subtleties - have a look through your OM C and country regulations for the particular chunk of airspace.
If there’s a nasty bit of weather which you think would be unsafe to fly through, then you’re going to go around it. Next thing is to tell those affected by your decision and if you can’t get through to ATC then broadcasts on 121.5 and any chat frequencies should be received by anyone near enough to be a problem, a bit like the IFBP in parts of Africa. TCAS is not a replacement for proper separation but it sure helps; putting all the lights on wouldn’t be a bad idea, either. |
Originally Posted by B2N2
(Post 10552995)
1. You request clearance 2. You deviate 3. You receive clearance 4. You are denied 2-3-4 are fully interchangeable as it’s known as PIC decision making. |
That’s weird, on our last Atlantic crossing we had to deviate for weather while on a NAT track - first time I’ve ever had to do this in about 12 years of Oceanic Ops. We requested clearance via CPDLC and waited as long as we could, but no reply and we had to go, so we went right (south) 10nm and plus 300’. Clearance then came through saying deviate left (north). Oh well, too late. Once clear of weather, we resumed our SLOP and nothing more heard from ATC. . |
You will, of course, all now be familiar with the latest weather deviation procedures in NAT Doc 007, which requires the +/-300ft change from the cleared FL to be initiated when the divergence off track (without a formal clearance) reaches 5nm or more, vice the `old` 10nm.
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Originally Posted by Mach1.
(Post 10552908)
What is your experience with weather avoidance during oceanic crossings, say in poor HF coverage?
Do you usually get clearance in time - and what procedures have helped you? thanks |
You request more than you need and request it well in advance knowing that sometimes you actually won't have to use it(although it is only requested if something is out there that is a potential problem). That way you have the clearance in hand and can use it without delay which sometimes happens. Of course once past the potential problem with no more potential problems in sight, report Back on Track once you are back on track. Otherwise, you can easily find yourself getting closer and closer to the weather while you are waiting for what are sometimes relatively long delays for the clearance to deviate.
If denied a deviation, make a free text to ATC asking if the deviation might be available at a different altitude. |
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