Taxi procedures LH Group
Saw a couple of videos from Lufthansa and Swiss and even on types with tillers on both sides (Airbus, B777 or CS) the Captain was always the one taxiing, even when F/O was the PF. Do they have a special reason for that? Do you know other companies where the F/O’s aren’t allowed to taxi? We were allowed to taxi in my previous company, but the parking at the gate was done by the captain - I was told that the docking systems are alligned on his side. |
Originally Posted by bumpy737
(Post 10383297)
Saw a couple of videos from Lufthansa and Swiss and even on types with tillers on both sides (Airbus, B777 or CS) the Captain was always the one taxiing, even when F/O was the PF. Do they have a special reason for that? Do you know other companies where the F/O’s aren’t allowed to taxi? We were allowed to taxi in my previous company, but the parking at the gate was done by the captain - I was told that the docking systems are alligned on his side. |
That's SOP at most US carriers. Only the CA will taxi. No clue why.
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Traditional mind-set.
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Originally Posted by Check Airman
(Post 10383375)
That's SOP at most US carriers. Only the CA will taxi. No clue why.
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It may also be a Insurance clause.
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Most of the time the parking aids at the gates are calibrated for the captains side or seen better from the captains sids.
atleast thats what we have been told |
Originally Posted by F3LD
(Post 10383800)
Most of the time the parking aids at the gates are calibrated for the captains side or seen better from the captains sids.
at least thats what we have been told |
There is a rumour that it was an LH A340 Fleet chiefs opinion that only the commander shall taxi. But maybe it is only due to the tradition. I don‘t know what is true but I heard another a rumour that it might change in the future. |
Originally Posted by F3LD
(Post 10383800)
Most of the time the parking aids at the gates are calibrated for the captains side or seen better from the captains sids.
atleast thats what we have been told |
Some aircraft only have tillers on the LHS. So an SOP like that covers every eventuality. |
Originally Posted by IZH
(Post 10384092)
There is a rumour that it was an LH A340 Fleet chiefs opinion that only the commander shall taxi. But maybe it is only due to the tradition. I don‘t know what is true but I heard another a rumour that it might change in the future. As the A320 fleet. And the B747 fleet for sure. |
It's just ego.
If the co-pilot can't taxi why let him/her fly? |
Originally Posted by FE Hoppy
(Post 10385068)
It's just ego.
If the co-pilot can't taxi why let him/her fly? |
LH still does it that way. Loads of dogma in their OMs. Many CPTs will still let you taxi every once in a while.
On the flip side, basic manual raw data flying is not only allowed but encouraged which is very commonly made use of and rarely seen elsewhere. Swiss eventually let go of that particular bit of silliness in June afaik. EW Discover adopted Airbus procedures right away. Things might change for the better in that regard. |
Originally Posted by Check Airman
(Post 10385121)
"That's the way we've always done it."
If the airline has different types, some without a tiller in the right seat, people would have to make a transition every time they bid into a new type. Even worse, if there are planes with and without the right seat tiller of the same type, this is now jumping back and forth on a day-to-day (or even leg-to-leg basis) instead of once every few months or years. Now different people are starting the engines, doing different flows on the ground, etc. Where, if you just keep everything simply CA-FO, everything is the same all the time, you stay in the same habits, etc. Easy-peasy. I see no reason to fix what isn't broken, by jumping back and forth unnecessarily. And I see plenty of reason to not do it. On the ground at a zoo like LGA or ATL, it would be begging for problems, to put an overwhelmed newhire in charge of taxiing where they'e constantly literal seconds away from making a wrong turn, missing a quick instruction, hitting a ground vehicle or other airplane that's in the wrong place, etc. Leave it to the CA. (In the air, this is much less of a problem as there is always far more time for the CA to react, before hitting anything hard.) |
If someone changes type they will do a whole new type rating course and do lots of things differently. So that is a spurious argument.
If the fleet has some with RH tiller and some without, that makes sense. I find it interesting that you think that turning a tiller puts someone "in charge" of taxiing. In a busy ground environment it actually makes more sense to me to have the inexperienced guy driving and the CA doing the navigating. On my type which only has a tiller on the left I have lost count of the number of times I have had my workload through the roof due to trying to taxi as well as sort out where we are going because the F/O has failed to read the plate properly. |
My company's fleet consists 320/330/350, 737/777/787. Only in 330, TRIs allow P3s to taxi, no idea about turning to the gate. My idea; if we are allowed to land, then why not to taxi? A320 F/O here.
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