A320 autoland : what’s the significance of ILS course check at 350ft RA?
If you are flying the Airbus then you are more than familiar with the fact that during an autoland approach we are suppose to check for correct ILS selected course at 350ft RA.( just after the LAND mode appears)
What’s the significance of the 350 ft since a check of the ILS course is done during prior checks? Does something happen internally that could alter the ILS course when the LAND mode appears? |
below 700 ft RA data coming from the FMS is frozen. So your check could be done anywhere below 700 ft.
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Oooh many moons ago, 19 years or so.
But I think it has to do with AP decrab. |
Originally Posted by LW20
(Post 10019810)
below 700 ft RA data coming from the FMS is frozen. So your check could be done anywhere below 700 ft.
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The course is generally checked as part of the briefing for the approach . Would there be any point subsequently where it could change ? However on a previous aircraft type, the Omni Bearing Selector (OBS or QDM selector) was next to the Heading and Speed selectors and it was very easy to move the wrong one. The last chance we had to correct the error was by 350' else the Auto Land system would miscalculate the amount of Align to apply during the flare. I think the "350 feet" rule is a hang over from the old days and needs to be updated with the modern equipment in use. |
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You won't get indication of localiser deviation if the aircraft is following the actual beam, the selected course is irrelevant in this sense.
During Loc Intercept, the ac uses the selected course to discern direction of turn when it detects a localiser. Once pointing in roughly the right direction, 90Hz/150Hz beam differentiation is all the ac needs to track the localiser but when it gets its first 'sniff' of a beam it has no idea what direction to turn in or what course to turn on to. Why we check it again before autolanding I do not know, but I suspect it's something to do with the transition from wingborne flight to wheelborne rollout. |
YEP:ok:
Decrabbing? |
Affirm.
DSC-22-30-80-30-10 Precision Approach Modes: "ALIGN SUB-MODE ALIGN is a sub-mode of LAND mode that lines up the aircraft's axis with the ILS course. It is not displayed to the flight crew." |
So waiting for dementia (A320 was 19 years ago for me) :rolleyes:
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Great find Goldenrivett! I'd never seen that before.
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However on a previous aircraft type, the Omni Bearing Selector (OBS or QDM selector) was next to the Heading and Speed selectors and it was very easy to move the wrong one. The last chance we had to correct the error was by 350' else the Auto Land system would miscalculate the amount of Align to apply during the flare. I think the "350 feet" rule is a hang over from the old days and needs to be updated with the modern equipment in use. The 350ft check remains a mystery |
(the CRS selector on the 310 was on the pedestal so you couldn’t accidentally change the OBS if you were changing the heading bug) The point I'm trying to make (rather unsuccessfully) is that you can't accidentally change the course in a modern glass cockpit. The 350' rule could be moved to 700' (data lock). |
This is for decrab purposes but I also agree 350 feet seems to be stuck in the past. This should be done at localiser capture or before so you can change it before the FMGC freezes below 700'.
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Originally Posted by Goldenrivett
(Post 10020779)
Affirm.
DSC-22-30-80-30-10 Precision Approach Modes: "ALIGN SUB-MODE ALIGN is a sub-mode of LAND mode that lines up the aircraft's axis with the ILS course. It is not displayed to the flight crew." This is really a question for an Airbus FMGC IT programmer, isn't it? |
I guess we can't really check ALIGN's reference until ALIGN is active |
Goldenrivett, I think you and I are saying the same thing. I was answering Applecrumble.
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Goldenrivett
With this we are in total agreement . |
Can someone give me a reference for the requirement to check LOC QDM at 350ft.
My manual is current(5/12/17) and I can not find anything like what is discussed here. Quote: AT 350 ft RA LAND mode CHECK ENGAGED/ANNOUNCE. That is all we are required to do. |
There are a few places in the FCOM such as the sources I am pasting below :
PRO-NOR-SOP-19 ( Under AUTOLAND ) “ AT 350 FT RA ILS /GLS /MLS COURSE on PFD........................................CHECK If the ILS /GLS /MLS course pointer and the runway track differ by more than 5 °, autoland is not authorized.” PRO-NOR-SRP-01-70 (under APPROACH MODE ACTIVATION (LOC -G/S) ) “ At 350 ft RA: CHECK that “LAND” is displayed on the FMA. CHECK ILS course. If LAND is not displayed or if the ILS course is not correct, do not perform an autoland. The flight crew should perform a go-around, if visual references are not sufficient.” |
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