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CaptainMongo 11th Jun 2017 20:54

A320 Landing memo
 
What is it good for?

On the models we fly it could either:

Appear on older aircraft below 2000 feet RA if the landing gear is down, or

Below 800 feet RA if the landing gear is not down.

On some aircraft, the landing memo appears below 2000 feet RA regardless of landing gear position.

Escape Path 11th Jun 2017 23:16


Originally Posted by CaptainMongo (Post 9799557)
What is it good for?

What do you mean? It serves a similar purpose to the takeoff memo; it checks for some items to be ready for landing (spoilers armed, flaps set, gear down). It makes for a shorter landing checklist too.


Originally Posted by CaptainMongo (Post 9799557)
On some aircraft, the landing memo appears below 2000 feet RA regardless of landing gear position.

This is our case, with MSNs going from early 2000s to mid 5000s

Denti 12th Jun 2017 00:09


It makes for a shorter landing checklist too.
To be honest, nothing more than the landing/takeoff memo is needed, the checklist we currently have on the airbus SOPs is just a bit of airbus CYA from their legal department they force on us. Flew without all that nonsense for years and it was actually safer than getting out a checklist in a critical stage of operation.

vilas 12th Jun 2017 12:36

As the FWC keeps getting improved these (irritating may be) variations occur. This is what I have, MSN 0199-0240, and 0264 give the memo below 2000ft with gear down and below 800ft with gear up while MSN 0138-0185, 0241-0255, 0301-1818 it appears below 2000ft irrespective of gear.

CONF iture 12th Jun 2017 16:23


Originally Posted by CaptainMongo (Post 9799557)
What is it good for?

They possibly added the 800 ft RA gear up stuff to avoid to get LDG MEMO at FL390 over the NATs when a fellow is maintaining the same track just 1000 ft below and switches the RA on.

Ollie Onion 12th Jun 2017 23:11

I thought the 800 ft was introduced to account for circuits, when you are training in the circuit you don't get the landing memo as you never get above 2000ft, so they introduced the 800ft criteria to ensure the landing memo show after a circuit regardless of if the gear is down at that point or not. So in normal day to day ops the 2000ft exists as a trigger and then the 800ft trigger is for flights that don't achieve 2000ft such as circuits, vmc returns etc. seems sensible to me.

Check Airman 13th Jun 2017 04:40


Originally Posted by Denti (Post 9799673)
To be honest, nothing more than the landing/takeoff memo is needed, the checklist we currently have on the airbus SOPs is just a bit of airbus CYA from their legal department they force on us. Flew without all that nonsense for years and it was actually safer than getting out a checklist in a critical stage of operation.

My old company's landing checklist was 2 items- autothrust and landing memo. Current company decided 5 items were needed (including landing gear) because technology developed after the 50's can't be trusted.

Amadis of Gaul 13th Jun 2017 14:02

Ours is 3 items.

Denti 13th Jun 2017 15:31

We used to have no checklist between after start and parking checklist. And no FMA callouts either, except altitudes. And then they decided to save some money (which turned out to be increasing our yearly loss by over 300 millions) by introducing airbus SOPs.

Escape Path 13th Jun 2017 20:11


Originally Posted by CONF iture (Post 9800355)
They possibly added the 800 ft RA gear up stuff to avoid to get LDG MEMO at FL390 over the NATs when a fellow is maintaining the same track just 1000 ft below and switches the RA on.

Happened to me some months ago in RVSM and it still triggered the landing memo. And it happened with a new MSN so...

I think Ollie Onion's got it

Capn Bloggs 14th Jun 2017 00:18


We used to have no checklist between after start and parking checklist. And no FMA callouts either, except altitudes. And then they decided to save some money (which turned out to be increasing our yearly loss by over 300 millions) by introducing airbus SOPs.
Love it!!!!


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