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Use of oxygen when one pilot is on break
I am interested to know how many countries mandate the donning of oxygen masks by pilots left alone in the flight deck while in cruise.
the FAA is the only aithority I have seen that require this practice, interested to know what happens in Europe? Specifically talking about quick donning masks as installed in the Airbus for example. |
Not just the FAA, but is regulatory practice in most ICAO states. If one pilot is outside the FD above FL350 the other should be on oxygen.
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Not in EASA land.
Never even heard of it to be honest. |
Not in Australia.
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Really, phantom? Where?
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I believe the FAA rule is +FL350. Use to be FL250
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As if "two persons in cockpit at all times" rule is not enough, you want us to be putting oxygen masks on as well?
How many cases have included rapid decompression with only one pilot in the cockpit? |
How many cases have included rapid decompression with only one pilot in the cockpit?
How many do you need? With all of the dumb causes for accidents over the last ten+ years this sounds pretty reasonable. TOUC above FL300 is pretty small as I recall. |
Not in the UK. I can't imagine the germs that must collect in those things. I assumed they don't get cleaned between every crew.
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TOUC above FL300 is pretty small as I recall FL300 - 1 minute FL350 - 45 seconds FL400 - 15 seconds Allowing 5 seconds for the startle effect and a further 5 seconds to don the oxygen mask, I think there is plenty of time when using quick donning masks. |
Skor:
Not in the UK. I can't imagine the germs that must collect in those things. I assumed they don't get cleaned between every crew. Made sense to me. I jump seated on a couple other major U.S. carriers who did not do such a test. |
Never heard of that in Canada.
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My new job is my 6th airline, all in different countries but my first in the US. Its been an eye opener how the FAA mandate certain things compared to others. Not as progressive as i expected.
Its the first time i have seen the use of oxy masks in flight (except for oz in the old days) and it appears to me that the masks are getting beaten up by constant use. Last week a crew had the hose come off the mask during removal and flailed all over the cockpit. |
Excerpt from the relevant Australian Order, CAO 20.4.
8.4 Unless paragraph 8.5 applies, where a pressurised aircraft to which this subsection applies is operated above Flight Level 250, then at least 1 pilot seated at the controls of the aircraft must use supplemental oxygen at all times during which the aircraft is operated above Flight Level 250. 8.5 Paragraph 8.4 does not apply if an aircraft is equipped with a quick- donning type oxygen mask for the pilot or, if more than 1 pilot is required for the flight, each pilot. However, whenever the aircraft is operating above flight level 450, the pilot, or one of the pilots, seated at the controls of the aircraft must wear an oxygen mask that is properly fitted and supplying oxygen |
If they get worn out by 'constant use' so be it, replace them.
They can save your life, I always give mine a thorough cleaning on every preflight and use it when required. Completely unsanitary and plain stupid not to do this, the last thing you need is a mouth full of dust, crap and germs when you really need it. |
The only airline I know for certain that does it is Omni (euro controller here), and that's only because the guy apologised to me for possible poor transmission quality (there was zero difference in his case).He obviously didn't realise I talk to Aeroflot and Turkish on a daily basis.
Apart from the above omni though I must say it's been very hard to understand what you folks are actually saying when you're on the oxy. Definitely worth bearing in mind if you're ever on it. |
Was mandatory in my place till JAR came out. Since then, and with EASA, nope.
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Compulsory to use O2 with only one pilot on flight deck in New Zealand above 35,000. Also if flying above 41,000 one pilot must be on O2.
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Not required in HK.
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Originally Posted by Spooky 2
(Post 9220578)
I believe the FAA rule is +FL350. Use to be FL250
It's still FL250 under part 121 121.333 (c)(3) Notwithstanding paragraph (c)(2) of this section, if for any reason at any time it is necessary for one pilot to leave his station at the controls of the airplane when operating at flight altitudes above flight level 250, the remaining pilot at the controls shall put on and use his oxygen mask until the other pilot has returned to his duty station. |
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