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PWMdk 16th Nov 2015 06:11

Aspect Ratio and Span B737-300 Winglet
 
Dear all

I'm doing some calculations regarding aerodynamics of a Boeing 737-300 aircraft.

I've been able to find the aspect ratio and span of the wing for a 737-300 without winglets. Unfortunately, I can't find the same data for a wing with winglets.

Does anyone know these details for a -300 with winglets?

Thank you very much.

Best regards,
Peter

blackmail 16th Nov 2015 09:39

Hello Pwmdk,
737-300 +winglet :span = 31.11m(non winglet : span = 28.88m). Mac = 3.41m
gross wing surface : S = 105.4m2

aspect ratio = span/mac or span2/S
I let you do the math

have a nice day
bm:ok:

PWMdk 16th Nov 2015 14:54

Hi blackmail

Thank you for your reply.

However, when I try to calculate the aspect ratio using the numbers here: http://www.b737.org.uk/techspecsdetailed.htm I don't get the "correct" result (the number on the page).

With your data I'm getting an AR of 9.12 with winglets. Without winglets the number is supposed to be 9.16 according to b737.org.uk. When I calculate the AS without winglet using numbers from that website, I get 8.47 - quite a lot less than 9.16.

Any ideas what I'm doing wrong here?

Guru8904 16th Nov 2015 16:07

PWMdk,

I agree with your calculations. I went to the same website and found your calculated values different from the website.
I have a very strong feeling that we are missing something; they are calculating using something more than the basic formula of AR= Span/MAC or (Span)2/area. Just to confirm my thinking, I calculated with both the above equations and found out that using span/MAC the value is actually 8.46 (as calculated by you) rather than 9.16.
I went on to calculate using (Span)2/area. Theoretically it should give the same result but I got 7.91.
This proves that these calculations on the website are based on a formula that includes something beyond the basic formulae. What? I have no idea.

Guru8904 16th Nov 2015 16:30

Again, there is a problem with the area calculations also. As per the values given on the website, the product of span(28.88) and MAC(3.41) comes out to be 98.48 whereas the area is shown as 105.4.
We are definitely not in the know of something, some hidden unknown(to us) constant/variable value.

Chesty Morgan 16th Nov 2015 16:49

Span is 32.11 with winglets.

Guru8904 16th Nov 2015 16:57

Agreed. We are trying to find out what is causing the difference between our calculations and the values given on the website.

PWMdk 16th Nov 2015 18:11

Totally agree with you guys, hence my original question. Since I can't seem to calculate the AR correctly, I'm looking for someone who simply knows the number.

I'm also thinking to give the winglet manufacturer a call...

underfire 16th Nov 2015 19:12

seems like a lot of effort for a -300

DaveReidUK 16th Nov 2015 19:24

The conventional way of working out the aspect ratio of a wingletted wing is to add the area of the winglets to the wing area and their length (i.e. height) to the span.

So, in effect, the winglets are considered as if they have been bent downwards to act as extensions of the wings in the same plane. The APB winglet for the 737 Classic is around 7 feet tall, so the wingspan (for the purpose of calculating AR) will be about 14 feet more than an unwingletted aircraft, i.e. a tad over 33 metres.

Obviously taking the span as the distance from tip to tip of the upright winglets will give a different figure for the wingspan and therefore a different answer for the aspect ratio.

Amadis of Gaul 20th Nov 2015 16:43


Originally Posted by Guru8904 (Post 9182453)
Agreed. We are trying to find out what is causing the difference between our calculations and the values given on the website.

Don't forget to take inflation into account.

Snakecharma 20th Nov 2015 19:20

Out of interest, and not trying to be a smart arse here, but what possible use could you have for the data?


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