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sudden Winds 23rd Jun 2015 12:55

737NG max start temp red line
 
Hi folks,
I seem to recall that the max temp start red line is fixed at 725c regardless of OAT. I think I read that in the afm. Please clarify.

JeroenC 23rd Jun 2015 14:42

737NG max start temp red line
 
FCOM1&2 and QRH. Pls read.

RAT 5 23rd Jun 2015 18:01

I apoligise that I haven't the books to hand, so please read and correct me, but;....
I was always told that the start max temp magenta bug was variable. It depended on many ambient variables, e.g. OAT, altitude, density etc. For an Inflight Start 725c is specified.

nick14 23rd Jun 2015 18:37

Yup AFM limits for GND start, 725C.

sudden Winds 23rd Jun 2015 19:14


Originally Posted by JeroenC (Post 9021826)
FCOM1&2 and QRH. Pls read.

Thank You for your pointless response.

sudden Winds 23rd Jun 2015 19:16


Originally Posted by nick14 (Post 9022020)
Yup AFM limits for GND start, 725C.

thank you. What I thought. Do you have the afm page number? Could you send me a screen capture of that ?

nick14 24th Jun 2015 07:19

I'm on an iPhone so don't know how to post a pic.

It is in section 1 page 7A. It's not written in the FCOM.

Skyjob 24th Jun 2015 09:30

With the introduction of the NG Boeing removed the references from the Limitations section in the FCOM and used Red Line as a limit, the display telling you when you had an overtemp situation.
Prior versions of 737 had the temperature limitations mentioned in the FCOM (their engine instruments were a lot smaller and thus harder to read, their numeric display was easiest to read).
Engine limitations are still contained in the Limitations section of AFM though, even though Red Line limits were introduced. It is one of the few limitations not contained in FCOM for crew reference.

NG: 725/925/950
CL: 725/895/930
[Maximum temperatures for: start/continuous/takeoff]

latetonite 24th Jun 2015 23:19

To get to the basics of the issue: why would a max EGT, function of Turbine temp, be variable with OAT or pressure?

barit1 29th Jun 2015 11:45

Good question, actually.

While I've been out of the circuit too long, in practice I recall there was a normal correlation between max start EGT for a given engine and residual EGT and OAT. (Not so much PA).

And I should think that a conscientious engineering organization could employ this relationship to create an alert level, objective being to flag an engine that is approaching a need for maintenance - despite no redline exceedance.

All of which might create another tug-of-war between ops and engineering. :}


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