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wilco77 6th Jan 2015 13:10

777 Windshear recovery
 
Manual Flight recovery procedure:
-Disengage auto pilot
-TOGA
-apply max thrust
-disconnect auto throttles
-roll wings level pitch to 15 degrees
-retract speed brakes
-follow fd.

my question is what is the reason we have to disconnect auto throttles.

STBYRUD 6th Jan 2015 14:32

To prevent the thrust levers from being retarded if for example the AFDS captures a target altitude and thus changes the thrust mode to SPD.

flapsupdown 6th Jan 2015 16:15

STBYRUD:

Then why for windshear recovery with the autopilot in do we not disconnect the A/T? Surely, when ALT captures with the autopilot in, the thrust levers are going to retard to give SPD

STBYRUD 6th Jan 2015 20:56

Yes, but the difference is that the autopilot will actually fly the leveloff if you reach the MCP altitude, if you handfly your recovery you might have different plans than to stay at low level and don't want thrust taken away from you in any case. Regardless-up until the 777 it used to be Boeing procedure anyway to disconnect the autothrottles whenever flying without autopilot, this could be the last remainder of that previously ubiquitous rule...

Tee Emm 7th Jan 2015 11:27


it used to be Boeing procedure anyway to disconnect the autothrottles whenever flying without autopilot.
It still is Boeing policy in the 737 series except during take off and climb in either automatic or manual flight. A sound policy too.

flapsupdown 7th Jan 2015 13:57

Thanks STBYRUD

STBYRUD 7th Jan 2015 20:35

Couldn't agree more, Tee Emm, I don't like that it changed... If that was the rule on the 777 as well I very much doubt the Asiana accident would have taken place as it did.

PW1830 7th Jan 2015 20:40

Wilco,
The 747 windshear escape manoeuvre, with the windshear warning system, is as you state except "rotate TOWARD an initial pitch attitude of 15deg" and follow F/D guidance.

Subtle difference but in extreme cases 15deg will lead to stall.

FCeng84 7th Jan 2015 21:59

Autothrottle during Manual Flight
 
One of the main reasons for disengaging the autothrottle when flying manually is the workload associated with having to re-trim pitch each time that the thrust setting is changed. This is the case on an airplane without FBW pitch control augmentation that has under-slung engines.

On the B777 and B787 the FBW augmentation provided in the pitch axis during manual control (C*U) does such a good job of adjusting the elevator to account for thrust pitching moment changes this is no longer a problem. The autothrottle helps greatly with maintaining speed so that benefit is preserved by keeping it engaged.

wilco77 10th Jan 2015 23:24

Thanks So much guys. Clears my head to that question I have always pondered upon..

ANCPER 11th Jan 2015 04:28

Flew for an operator (733) that didn't follow that rule of AP off, AT off and it wasn't a problem, and neither was trimming the a/c with the AT on and AP off!


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