Nothing wrong with that:E

Did the rolling in with engines off,pimples cleared and i aint doing it anymore.:p

I recall as a kid watching Ansett ANA 727s and DC9s coasting
into the open stands at Essendon and West Beach 60s & 70s.
No one got into any trouble. Then again it was back in an age
when airline flying was enjoyable and the aeroplanes were real.

:rolleyes:

Yeah, like having all your hydraulics, electrics, and full control available until you stop the aircraft and are finished with main engine(s).

Bravado, being 'clever' and showing off is all very well in speed boats and on surf boards etc., but has no place in airline operations.

Only Bob Hoover coasts into the stand. Or, rather, the stand coasts to him. That's because even Chuck Norris is afraid of Bob Hoover.

. . . and don't see the swimmer :sad:

I hate it when I'm snorkelling and hear the high speed props - Decision: Surface right now and wave or wait till it's passed overhead, misjudge and have to come up as it's getting louder :eek:

Apart from being a dumb idea, I think, the cost of an additional start cycle on the engine will probably out weigh any savings in fuel.

Can anyone find, in the AFM or SOP of any aircraft or company, where coasting into stand all engines off as an acceptable procedure is discussed? Thought not.

Personal opinion but the potential for things to go seriously wrong whilst still moving but all engines off is way too big to even consider it.

1/ it's been done a lot in the past all around the world and I can't think of one single accident directly attributable to "coasting in".
( it's not something I see a need to do however let's keep it in perspective shall we )

2/ how many backups do you need? You might as well fly an Aircraft with 10 Engines, 5 Hyd systems, 2 accumulators and an Anchor if you are that "conservative" :D

Bob Hoover. That's it. He's the one and only.

My passengers did not pay for an airshow.

If you do this, then you are one YouTube video away from, "Hey, y'all, watch this!!!"

I don't do it or endorse it BUT please tell me how many incidents have been caused or people hurt/killed by this "dangerous" practice in the last 40 years.....

Nah, thought so...

It's just stupid :=


If you want to put on a show go do it outside of your airlines operations, otherwise don't tempt fate.

Diver's flag nearby was there, Basil?

Nobody's perfect :O

To borrow a wee bit of the Queen's english...daft idea. :=

Er, nit old chap, I bow to your obvious statistical knowledge of operations all around the world involving engine-less taxying, but you seem to be implying that having your engines running as you manoeuvre onto stand is too much of a 'back-up' ??

I'd love to see you try this on something like an A330 - keeping on the centre line with only a few meters of clearance each side, and stopping within half a meter when the stand guidance says "STOP" !!

1/ I haven't ever done it and won't
2/ I never suggested being daft and doing it in a wide body entering a confined area to an Aerobridge!!

3/ for smaller 737 ops in quiet open un-congested aprons ( with steps ) with a serviceable RUNNING APU I don't particularly see the serious problem if you cut both 60' before the stop point.

Silly and pointless? Maybe..........Dangerous? No.

nitpicker, absence of evidence of risk (incident / accident), is not evidence of absence of risk.
Safety involves managing risk; coasting into a stand is not good risk management.
What you say is what you think; often what you think is what you do.
Try managing your thoughts; it’s good for risk management.

I wouldn't be surprised at that statement. Probably more than 99.9% of reportable incidents go unreported through the ICAO dissemination system.

Had one captain that always coasted in silently. There was nothing written anywhere that said we could not. He was very old school and said he liked that it pissed off one of the management pilots.

If you expect to be paid and treated as professionals, then be professional.

Passengers do notice and while most wouldn't care, all sorts of ideas will flow through their heads as a result.

If you're prepared to 'coast in', what else are you prepared to do? Where do you draw the line, or is that something that needs to be written for you in a manual somewhere because you can't work it out?

My advice, find another job more suited to your skills. NASCAR comes to mind.

Not dangerous?? And if the APU dies when the electrical load is suddenly put onto it as the main engines are cut?? (It happens).


Are you sure you're an airline pilot?