PPRuNe Forums

PPRuNe Forums (https://www.pprune.org/)
-   Tech Log (https://www.pprune.org/tech-log-15/)
-   -   about jet engine (https://www.pprune.org/tech-log/522061-about-jet-engine.html)

kakuiwong 23rd Aug 2013 17:21

about jet engine
 
Hi all, i am new to this forum, i just want to ask a question, may be it is quite silly, but still hope someone can answer.

As we know that the lifting force is provided by pressure difference, and by bernoulli equation, the faster the air will decrease the pressure. AND the jet engine is used to accelerate the ambient air to provide thrust. So, will it deteriorate the lifting ability and why not building it above the wing? thank you

Rocchi 23rd Aug 2013 18:46

Boeing YC-14. There will be many others more qualified to give you more detailed answers.

HazelNuts39 23rd Aug 2013 21:27

The VFW614 had jet engines above the wing. I believe reduced exposure of the engines to foreign object damage was the motivation for that unusual configuration.

gums 23rd Aug 2013 21:27

Go look up "Coanda" effect.

TURIN 23rd Aug 2013 21:40

It's called Upper Surface Blowing. (Fnaar, fnaar;))

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...amst-flaps.gif

Or a simpler version (which I used at a job interview by the way:O)

http://www.ysjournal.com/articles/20..._107612_u4.jpg

Or the complete article..

http://piyasara.com/images/content/c...p_image083.jpg

barit1 25th Aug 2013 12:54

The new HondaJet has overwing engines too.

listeningwatch 25th Aug 2013 14:02

You also need very reliable fuel pumps! No gravity feed here!

Desert185 25th Aug 2013 14:13

...and the wheel is still round. :ok:

peter kent 8th Sep 2013 00:15

Hondajet story
 
Honda's justification for overwing engines


http://hondajet.honda.com/pdf/tech_p...Drag_OTWEM.pdf

peter kent 8th Sep 2013 01:45

YC-14 exhaust over wing
 
Check out this article on YC-14 and YC-15



1975 | 0193 | Flight Archive

see page 152 also for more details on upper surface blowing on the YC-14.

Checkboard 8th Sep 2013 09:21

... and, of course, just about every business jet ever made along with 90% of tail mount engines on airliners have the engines mounted above the wing.

Wizofoz 8th Sep 2013 10:02

Yes, but usually not to produce a "Blown" wing.

To address the OP, as you can see, it jet efflux CAN be used to produce lift- but producing that lift also produces drag.

Thus it can help in STOL applications, but is less useful when a high cruising speed is desired.

Piper19 8th Sep 2013 23:50

The upper part of the wing is more important than the lower part in providing lift. Most of the lift is generated by the "sucking" force.
So aerodynamically it's better to leave the upper part of the wing undisturbed, except if you really need it for e.g. STOL designs.

lomapaseo 9th Sep 2013 00:10


The upper part of the wing is more important than the lower part in providing lift. Most of the lift is generated by the "sucking" force.
So aerodynamically it's better to leave the upper part of the wing undisturbed, except if you really need it for e.g. STOL designs.
I wonder what Bernoulli would have to say about this?

balsa model 9th Sep 2013 02:09

I think that Mr. Bernoulli would be totally speechless on hearing that we have flying machines.


All times are GMT. The time now is 07:10.


Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.