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Marlboro_2002 11th Jan 2013 10:35

What european airlines have pilots flying mixed fleet?
 
Good morning,

I was wondering if anyone knows of any european airlines that are allowing their pilots to operate under mixed fleet flying rules to operate more than one type at the time.

Denti 11th Jan 2013 12:59

Might be quite a long list actually. I know of Finnair, Lufthansa, Air Berlin. But i'm sure there are quite a few more.

flying apple 11th Jan 2013 16:24

at SN some pilots fly 319/330

777fly 11th Jan 2013 17:31

British Airways had a mixed B757/767 fleet until quite recently. Monarch crews currently fly A329/321/330 as a mixed fleet.

AvroRider 11th Jan 2013 17:50

Indeed we were flying mixed fleet 319/320/330 for a while at Brussels Airlines. But since 6 months with the growing fleet there is no more MFF.

RAT 5 11th Jan 2013 19:09

Not sure these 'common type rating' answer the question. Many years ago a friend was with Air Belgium and flew B737 & A320 within the same roster; not the same day mind you. Under JAA this was legal.

Marlboro_2002 12th Jan 2013 14:48

And what kind of MFF if flown by Lufthansa, Finnair, etc...
Is that short and long haul, or just A330/A340?

I thought Monarch was no longer performing MFF.

mustbeaboeing 12th Jan 2013 18:41

Approx six years ago, ThomsonFly, when it was called that, had a trail at one base for Flight Crew to fly both the B737
(not sure if it was restricated to certain marks) and the B757.
It ran for a while as a test but was deemed unfeasible.

Jonty 12th Jan 2013 19:16

Thomas cook uk fly 320/321/330

And I believe condor fly 757/767

hetfield 12th Jan 2013 20:13


And I believe condor fly 757/767
Yes they do.

Winston 12th Jan 2013 21:28

Maybe a bit of a mix up in terms here. Airlines such as TOm who flew the 737 / 767 and the airline mentioned above flying a 737 / 320 are operating 2 types (allowable under EU-OPS 1.980 -reference from memory so may be a touch out). O2T means that you still need to do the recurrent training / checking as per FCL / OPS for each type.

MFF is when you get credit so can reduce the training / checking. This is like flying the 330 / 340 and i guess 320 / 330.

Edited to say that 757 / 767 isn't O2T or MFF as it is a common type rating (like the B737-300 and B737-800)

Denti 12th Jan 2013 22:03


Edited to say that 757 / 767 isn't O2T or MFF as it is a common type rating (like the B737-300 and B737-800)
As is the 777 and 787 both under FAA and EASA rules.

I know of at least one airline that got approval for 737/757 and 757/767 MFF, including training credits so that only one SIM event every six months had been enough on alternating types. However despite the approval it was never set into motion as the 757/767 left the fleet.

Anyway, as far as i know Lufthansa only does MFF on longrange types (A330/A340), they considered doing it with A340/A380 but decided the differences are too big. I heard somewhere that Swiss uses the same MFF mix. Finnair i believe has pretty much everything mixed, except A320/A340. Air Berlin uses A320 family and A330 but is considering about splitting longhaul and shorthaul depending on fleet development which is nowadays decided in Abu Dhabi.

EcamSurprise 12th Jan 2013 23:04

Monarch is still doing MFF.


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