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Opening cabin door with engine running
Scenario: During pushback cabin crew tells you they can not arm 1 slide. Can you legally open the door to check for a possible reason (e.g. ice/snow...) of the door problem with an engine running on the opposite side? Needless to say I would first make sure that the engine(s) on the side of the door to be opened are shut down.
Company rules do not forbid it however I'm interested if there would be any legal text (JAROPS or FAR AIMS). |
Why would you start the push if you didn't already have the doors armed?
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Because the need to arm the doors is only once the engines are started...
Order to rm doors is given when the push is started in the company I work for. It can take a while before one of your 24 cabin crew will get back to you with the bad news that one of the 16 slides does not arm. |
Why can't you start pushback with the doors not armed? Must have done it 000s of times!
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No, it is not a 737 I'm talking about.
Because the gates might be in the way maybe? FYI, these slides come out the length of a 737 wingspan. |
The question is about opening the door, not arming, after pushback....
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Why can't you start pushback with the doors not armed? Must have done it 000s of times! |
FWIW, at my shop (US regional), we routinely open the door with the #2 engine running when we arrive. In fact, it's pretty rare for both engines to be shut down before the door opens.
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Can you legally open the door to check for a possible reason (e.g. ice/snow...) of the door problem with an engine running on the opposite side? |
Who is responsible if someone falls out?
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Who is responsible if someone falls out? Jesus, what a mad world we live in if people feel the need to ask a question like that> :| |
Opening doors
I recall opening the L5 and dispatching a "suspect" item found during taxi. It was a radio tape player of similar design to the one which brought down PanAm over Lockerbie. This was within a year of that tragic event and we did not want a similar fate to overtake us.
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I take it that after days since the openeing post, that there is no specific regulation against opening a door ( passenger entry door ?) with engines running.
It seems that this is covered under the operators SOPs and obviously can be over-ridden by the Captain if necessary? |
Lomapaseo, yes I guess so as well... Amazing how some people have such a hard time sticking to the question asked, isn't it!
Thanks anyway to the ones that tried... |
Airbus procedure
Check FCOM PER-LOD-FUL. It describes REFUELING WITH ONE ENGINE RUNNING and includes disembarking of pax with one engine running.
Cheers |
Quote: Who is responsible if someone falls out? er...the idiot who fell out of course. Who the **** else???? Jesus, what a mad world we live in if people feel the need to ask a question like that> :| Perhaps one where a set of steps are pulled from the a/c side just as the stewardess is closing the door. She had one foot on the steps and fell through the gap between steps and a/c. It happens. No need for the rant. :( |
Originally Posted by EK380
(Post 7481922)
Scenario: During pushback cabin crew tells you they can not arm 1 slide. Can you legally open the door to check for a possible reason (e.g. ice/snow...) of the door problem with an engine running on the opposite side? Needless to say I would first make sure that the engine(s) on the side of the door to be opened are shut down.
Company rules do not forbid it however I'm interested if there would be any legal text (JAROPS or FAR AIMS). You can see it at the beginning of this youtube video. |
Scenario: During pushback cabin crew tells you they can not arm 1 slide. Can you legally open the door to check for a possible reason (e.g. ice/snow...) of the door problem with an engine running on the opposite side? Needless to say I would first make sure that the engine(s) on the side of the door to be opened are shut down. Company rules do not forbid it however I'm interested if there would be any legal text (JAROPS or FAR AIMS). I am thinking of a larger problem here in your thought process.If you find the door is not fully closed and the slide will not arm, no engine running on the side you are having the problem with , sure sort it out. If the door appears to be fully closed and the slide will not arm, best bring her back to the gate and let your AMT/LAME have a look. It is CC not you at the door and you are unsure, back to the gate. |
Park the brakes and send the FO out to have a look. They will usually be more tech-savvy than the FAs.
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Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs
(Post 7520320)
Park the brakes and send the FO out to have a look. They will usually be more tech-savvy than the FAs.
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