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Airmen25 29th Aug 2012 11:46

A320 FMGS creating turning point based on altitude
 
Hello fellow aviators, any of you guys know if it is possible to create a waypoint on the FPLAN A pg in terms of altitude? i mean like, after taking off, a waypoint based on altitude instead of P/B/D, or P/D etc etc. You know, like the waypoints you usually see on the missed approach procedure, example 3000-> meaning at 3000ft right turn to etc etc..

cav-not-ok 29th Aug 2012 12:38

no..............

safelife 29th Aug 2012 14:08

Those are commands defined in ARINC 424 which are programmable but only when designing SIDs oder STARs with a software which can write the required format for the FMS.

Some FMS actually allow construction of those within the FMS (the UNS do I think) but on the Airbus there is no way to create such an instruction by the pilot.

(Well, you could select some departure which has a 3000' turning point and delete everything around it and use the point only, but in most cases this will not be practical as you can select only one departure.)

Airmen25 29th Aug 2012 14:14

Thanks Cav-Not-Ok and Safelife, i guess manual flying then..., my company hasn't update the FMGC database yet for the new SID and STAR..sad:{

AerocatS2A 30th Aug 2012 05:12



Some FMS actually allow construction of those within the FMS (the UNS do I think)
Yes, the UNS allows you to code pilot entered sids and stars. It's great for VMC departures and arrivals to uncontrolled aerodromes.

Airmen25 30th Aug 2012 08:51

If you don't mid me asking, whats "UNS"?

Airmen25 30th Aug 2012 11:52


Good Lord man! Manual flying!? Whatever next?
I meant selected

MD83FO 31st Aug 2012 04:31

Its called a conditional waypoint, the only way you can create one is if you select the NO SID option, and that will give you and active leg from the RWY to the thrust reduction altitude which is pretty close to the minimum height for turns in IMC or night, unless other wise specified.

SW1 31st Aug 2012 06:45

How about creating your place/bearing/distance waypoint. Make sure you've checked it 3 times!! Then vertical revision at your PBD +3000.

I have no idea if its possible to designate a left or right turn with that little arrow you see.

I had to do something similar on our secondary flight plan as our particular Navigation Database update did not have our company specific EOSIDs.

I would only have it as a reference pseudo-waypoint and would then go selected heading to turn left or right depending where the highest MSA is located.

Fursty Ferret 31st Aug 2012 08:16



Good Lord man! Manual flying!? Whatever next?
I meant selected
Thank God for that. I thought for a moment you were going to fly with the autopilot out. Need a sit down and a stiff drink to recover after that little scare...

Airmen25 31st Aug 2012 08:48


Thank God for that. I thought for a moment you were going to fly with the autopilot out. Need a sit down and a stiff drink to recover after that little scare...
Did that already at VLVT, intercept of radial after departure with ROSE VOR option AP OFF & FD's on...big deal? guess not, so STFU

Airmen25 31st Aug 2012 09:02

SW1

How about creating your place/bearing/distance waypoint. Make sure you've checked it 3 times!! Then vertical revision at your PBD +3000.

I have no idea if its possible to designate a left or right turn with that little arrow you see.

I had to do something similar on our secondary flight plan as our particular Navigation Database update did not have our company specific EOSIDs.

I would only have it as a reference pseudo-waypoint and would then go selected heading to turn left or right depending where the highest MSA is located.
Yup, there was a new SID at a place called Johor code WMKJ in Malaysia the other day, had to fly there, so i had to construct the SID using PBDs n PDs. For the turning point right after departure, what we did was create a waypoint around 3-4 miles out initially, captain averaged the rate of climb to be okay, so, right after airborne, upon altitude, we just went for DIR to the next waypoint, problem solved, but, i was trying to figure out wether if we could make a turning point altitude based, guess not...

safelife 31st Aug 2012 09:10

Creating a PBD waypoint with an altitude constraint won't help.
If it is too close, the A320 will not try to make that altitude, just the contraint will turn amber and the MCDU will display "Altitude error at WPT".
If it is too far, it will carry on until the waypoint before turning even if it is higher already way before.

You could find a distance at which you will just reach this altitude, but it's not practical to do so as this distance will vary depending on aircraft weight, wind and all.

Airmen25 31st Aug 2012 09:15

Safelife, if im not mistaken, if we enter departure without SID, there will be a discontinuity?

safelife 31st Aug 2012 09:26

if you don't delete it, yes. The aircraft will then carry on straight ahead until further.

Airmen25 31st Aug 2012 09:34

Use that technique until we reach the correct height to turn, then DIR to the next waypoint?
But if using this method, should we use the HDG knob to preselect the rwy track initially?

safelife 31st Aug 2012 10:12

You don't need to do that with the airbus.
(if you do, you maintain runway heading. If you don't, you maintain runway track...)

Airmen25 31st Aug 2012 10:17

Got it, thank you very much buddy


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