jcjeant
 

Agree.

As I said before, no-one thinks it odd that it's legal (certified) to have an autopilot that under certain conditions in cruise gives back control of the plane to the pilots. The same conditions in which the pilots are not trained to fly the plane.

On Basics
 

Hi,

Bill Macgillivray:

A basic (and old) mandatory skill is aviate your plane. AoA is ESSENTIAL (to fly non rotary wing a/c).

This VERY BASIC "detail" was simply not "respected".

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Read the CVR transcript... Appendix 1
 

This is a chilling read, but I think brings the lack of understanding of what the aircraft was doing into sharp focus. From everything I can tell the whole verbiage is there. It is not a happy read at all.

I thought it was interesting relative to the point that visual cues take precedent in the human mind over aural cues in time of stressful situations.

In the WSJ today: The article talks about more improvements to be tested on a 737 as well as changes to GE and or CFMI engines that will improve upon fuel consumption efficiency.

To note that this kind of cues are already implemented in many video games :ok:
Of course .. it's more easy to implement those in a video game instead a airliner :)
Would be the future of flying be a kind of video game :confused:

Great news
 

Great news coming from R&D. With a powerful "man-machine interface tool" to crews "near the edge". (as such was the case in AF447 before put a/c in full stall)

Thanks for very important information at a "right moment" for us here. BEA "final report day".

I think Boeing missed the point. If they need school-kid directions because the pilots are overwhelmed with data, maybe they'd be better addressing the cause rather than finding yet another piece of data to flash at them?

Besides - the FD bars on the AF jet were commanding a CLIMB, so how are Boeing's magic arrows going to react any differently under the same situation?

How about a declutter function - HIDE all but the MOST important data, and silence alarms? Blank screens if you have to.

Near the edge
 

A well developed SW together Air Speed DSP could improve easily the current situation.

As far i can imagine, the idea of the info TD bring us is to simplify crew work in abnormalities.

Your 3 questions are important. We need to wait.

Hi jcjeant,
Yup, only a matter of time as the pace of technology continues on its rapid pace. Maybe not in our lifetime, but, if your great-grandson or great-granddaughter aspires to be a pilot, this is a preview of the future. There is already a shortage of these "pilots"....

RR_NDB,

Re: Great News

I though you would like this!

5 degrees nose-up at FL350 or thereabouts - which is what the flight directors showed at the time of SW - is *not* a climb at cruise thrust.

Newbie question
 

Hello All, I am a newbie and an airline enthusiast. I used to work for an airline but in their IT so I don't claim any knowledge of powered (or unpowered) flight.

I have been keeping track of this case ever since it happened.

I saw this in the news today and signed up on this forum just to ask this one question. I read the cockpit recorder transcript here.

Air France 447 Flight-Data Recorder Transcript - What Really Happened Aboard Air France 447 - Popular Mechanics

What ruled out the possibility that the Bonin guy was not suicidal?

This is a reasonable question, given that several crashes over the years have had such implications, so I'll let it stand.

However, please let's not venture into conspiracist realms .. JT

Hope that puts an end to the "thunderstorm" brigade. It is deemed to have been "nothing exceptional", though the wise decision would have been to avoid it.

A bit of a "soft" excuse when you've already managed to dump most of the kinetic energy available.

Machinbird;

Your PIO roll proposition appears to have been confirmed.

In the CVR transcript I notice some PNC call during event ..
2H10.55
2H10.59
2H11.02
2H11.24
2H11.30
It may be that PNC was concerned that something was abnormal ....

Well, I didn't even make it past the first two pages before discovering this gem:

back to the actual report...

Will do JT.

The CVR transcript looks all wrong for a deliberate attempt to sabotage the flight. Bonin's words reflect a mindset of being gradually overwhelmed by a problem, and increasing anxiety as the situation worsens. In every case of suicide/homicide in aviation I know of, the perpetrator has never betrayed anxiety - instead becoming task-focused and shutting out all extraneous human interaction.

Also his wife was on board - they were both returning from a holiday to Brazil which if anything seemed to lighten Bonin's mood based on second-hand evidence.

Everything else aside, all evidence indicates a pilot who tragically got out of his depth and was spooked enough to try the wrong thing over and over.

Thank you for the heads up.:) Haven't yet had the time to read the report.

I've read through the report and the appendix (just one time) and honestly I'm none the wiser than I was after the report a year ago.

Fundamentally, there are three pilots flying one of the best aircraft in the world and they put it in the water. What I do not comprehend is why they did not comprehend.

All the final report offers is speculation.

It was true and it's about the only thing I am confidant of.

Appendices
 

I can't seem to find a download with all the appendices.

It's worse than that. A tremendous amount is deemed either unneccessary or too expensive by the bean counters. Some operators insist the automation is used to get the absolute cheapest operation of the aircraft, and the bean counters do statistical analysis on the cost of training for some scenarios against the cost of the incident should it happen.

This is only the tip of the iceberg, and this incident is Airbus' Titanic, they have some serious soul searching to do in many areas.