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gibr monkey 7th Dec 2011 15:46

Cabin Secured Device
 
Hi does anybody know of where I can source a device that is designed to remind very forgetful pilots ( me included) that the cabin is secured for landing, etc.
Previous airline made them out of plastic but there must be an Airbus/ Boeing extra.

Any ideas please.

Denti 7th Dec 2011 15:49

Boeings have a little button for the FAs which lights a light or displays a message that the cabin is secured. Would think there is something like that in the airbus world as well.

STBYRUD 7th Dec 2011 16:09

Ours is integrated into that wonderfully designed (ha-ha) CDSS (I guess that is what Denti is referring to), the SCCM (yes, I have moved on to EASA terminology :D) pushes a button that displays 'cabin ready' on the monitor...

I have my own technique though, and that should be fitted to every Boeing - the grab handle above the windshield - if I didnt flip it up before lining up the chief didn't call yet... Same on landing ;)

excrab 7th Dec 2011 16:14

How about a piece of card board with "secure for take-off" on one side and "secure for landing" on the other. If you want it really high tech you could get it laminated.

Works every time, doesn't need a powe source, and no Boeing / Airbus part numbers or mods to the aircraft required.

sellect 7th Dec 2011 18:13

We use the inop No Smoking sign switch as a reminder

poldek77 7th Dec 2011 19:11

I don't know what aircraft you fly. But when received "Cabin OK" you may also try one of these to be your reminder:
- switch video surveillance system monitor OFF;
- start timer;
- set wx radar tilt to positive angle;
- remove loadsheet (or maybe laminated piece of paper as suggested) which you placed in-between thrust levers before;
- start displaying MAP on your MFD;
- ...?
but nothing is perfect.
Or when lining-up ask yourself "Has she/he reported OK?" and when in doubt call to confirm...

Denti 7th Dec 2011 22:19

Well, the CDSS system is one, but rather awkward. The other 737 system is a cabin ready light in the forward overhead panel with a reset switch. The light is activated via the forward flight attendant touch screen device or on older planes via a switch on the forward attendant panel. Simply leave the light on until the relevant point is checked and then reset it, that way you know if the cabin was ready or not.

gorter 7th Dec 2011 22:30

My vote goes for the plakkie card. (KISS)

compressor stall 8th Dec 2011 01:22

What about tying a piece of string in a knot on your finger when advised it's secure:E?

Capn Bloggs 8th Dec 2011 03:13

On taxi, put your hat on backwards. When cabin secure, swap it to point forward. :ok:

Wartender 8th Dec 2011 13:30

When the cabin is reported to be secure we switch the autobrakes to RTO and press the T/O config button.

fireflybob 8th Dec 2011 13:59


When the cabin is reported to be secure we switch the autobrakes to RTO and press the T/O config button.
Sorry just playing devil's advocate here, so when the cabin omit to give you secure you omit to select RTO and press the T/O config button......


We use the inop No Smoking sign switch as a reminder
For my money this is one of the simplest and makes use of a redundant switch!

Cabin secure, switch "ON" (down), cabin released, switch "OFF" (up)

Denti 8th Dec 2011 14:41

Aye, if its defunct, we have a cabin chime on it now to give the usual cabin signals.

sky jet 8th Dec 2011 14:44

On the 737 I used the retractable landing lights. When the cabin was ready I extended but did not turn them on. That way I had a memory item and they were ready to go when on the runway. I know some of you are going to tell me that you or your company have a policy against all the lights in daylight conditions. Here is what I told the check airman when they ask why I did it. "Light bulbs are cheep, this airplane is expensive and my ass is priceless."

Jet

Wartender 9th Dec 2011 13:30


Sorry just playing devil's advocate here, so when the cabin omit to give you secure you omit to select RTO and press the T/O config button......
As long as the cabin is not reported secure we will decline any line-up or take-off clearance. In case the senior attendant forgets to report the cabin secure we will call the cabin and ask for confirmation.

MrHorgy 10th Dec 2011 13:57

On the 737 - Take a bulldog clip to work and clip it somewhere and take it off when you have cabin secure. Or clip your tie to the yoke checklist. Or use the height adjustment handle on upper window frame either up or down. Or as the Irish do - the INOP No Smoking sign works wonders. Halfway for secure then fulldown for seated for departure ;)

Horgy


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