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fmp320 18th Oct 2011 21:42

Hi, I am a 320 skipper and I am delighted with my iPad. I've been wondering during the last couple days on how to hold it on the 320 side window but I have no clue so far. Does anyone know any device, holder or mount that could keep the iPad on the Airbus side window?

Any suggestions would be very welcome.
Many thanks.

Dream Land 19th Oct 2011 08:18

Let me Google that for you. Link

Slasher 19th Oct 2011 08:40

That's a bloody good design Dreamland and thanks for that
link. After I've downloaded those piccies I might ask one of
the Engineering boys at my outfit's machine shop to rig one
up - there's a 320 on D check in there right now - and it will
cost me far less than 35 odd bucks too! :)

spannersatcx 19th Oct 2011 18:50

Let me do a forum search for you:eek:

FE Hoppy 19th Oct 2011 23:29

Here's what the FAA recommend :

a. Class 1 EFB Hardware. Class 1 EFB hardware may:
• Be used on the ground and during flight
• Connect to ship’s power through a certified power source
• Recharge batteries onboard the aircraft
• Require quick-disconnect from power and/or data sources for egress
• Have read-only data connectivity to other aircraft systems
• Have receive/transmit data connectivity for AAC only
(1) The operator should provide evidence to the PI demonstrating that the Class 1 EFB is properly stowed or mounted for takeoff and landing.
(2) Certificate holders should document EFB non-interference compliance in accordance with the guidance in the current version of AC 91.21-1, Use of Portable Electronic Devices Aboard Aircraft.

fmp320 20th Oct 2011 11:32

I definitely know how to google (thanks), but none of those suggestions (ipad deck mount + Ram mounts) fit on the A320. Those designs are made for Boings, GA and maybe other types. What I am looking for is a holder for the A320.

Any other suggestions would be very appreciated.

FE Hoppy 20th Oct 2011 11:47

Any other suggestions would be very appreciated.
I suggest you ask your ops department what your Aviation Authority has approved.

You cannot just go modifying the cockpit willy nilly regardless of how nice the iPad is to use.

Craggenmore 20th Oct 2011 12:11

What's wrong with the table?

Keep a roll of Velcro with you.

One large strip on the back on the iPad and one on the window sill (make sure it does not interfere with the opening mechanism.)

Rip it off the sill when finished and throw it away - Repeat for next flight.

fmp320 20th Oct 2011 12:41

When I first used the iPad deck mount I concluded the window sill is too narrow... and it will definitely interfere with the opening mechanism. :sad:

FE Hoppy,
Why should I ask my ops department for that?! I'm using the iPad for private use, the same way I use my iPhone, my glasses, etc. It's not my intention to modify the cockpit whatsoever...

FE Hoppy 20th Oct 2011 14:27

Private A320. Nice :-)

fmp320 20th Oct 2011 15:09

FE Hoppy,

I don't know if you are a pilot or not (it is irrelevant for this matter, but maybe not), but seems pointless to me to try to waist my time to explain why do I use my iPad on a A320 (but hey, it could be inside my car also).
"Private use" can means hundreds of things and I will name some of them to you: take notes in flight, study aids, keep my electronic logbook up to date, just to name some of them.

And yes, my company is still giving me the "privilege" of carrying almost 60 pounds of paper each time I fly and I intend to use all of them every time I have to.

FE Hoppy 20th Oct 2011 16:42

I look forward to you explaining your justification for using an iPad whilst driving. Taking notes in flight! lol, study aid? log book entries, why would you need to fix it to a window for this? It should be stowed when not being used and why not pop it on your table when using it.

The only reason for mounting the device is to use it as an EFB and if you were authorised to do that you would have appropriate mounting points and procedures. You obviously don't have those and so have no justification for modifying your cockpit.

Think for a moment about your suction mounted iPad falling off on late finals.

and here's a link to the sort of information you as a "Skipper" should be aware of:

fmp320 20th Oct 2011 17:32

EFB? Oh god. I rest my case after this one...

FE Hoppy 20th Oct 2011 17:57

What do you think it is if it isn't an EFB?

Class 1 Electronic Flight Bag (EFB) Hardware. Portable commercial off-the-shelf (COTS)-based computers, considered to be PEDs with no FAA design, production, or installation approval for the device and its internal components. Class 1 EFBs can be authorized for use during aircraft operation and are usually readily handled or carried on/off the aircraft. Class 1 EFBs are not attached or mounted to the aircraft; they must be secured or stowed during critical phases of flight. Class 1 EFBs that have Type B applications for aeronautical charts, approach charts, or electronic checklist must be secured and viewable during critical phases of flight and must not interfere with flight control movement.

• Flight Operations Manuals (FOM).
• Company standard operating procedures (SOP).
• Airport diversion policy guidance, including a list of special designated airports and/or
approved airports with emergency medical service (EMS) support facilities.
• Operations specifications (OpSpecs).
• Cockpit observer briefing cards.
• For smaller aircraft, pilot’s operating handbooks (POH), including POH, section IX
• Aircraft performance data manuals (fixed, non-interactive material).
• Airport performance restrictions manual (such as a reference for takeoff and landing
performance calculations).
• Weight and Balance (W&B) manual, if a separate manual (fixed, non-interactive
• Other aircraft performance data manuals, including specialized performance data for use
in conjunction with advanced wake vortex modeling techniques, land-and-hold-short operations (LAHSO) predictions, etc. (fixed, non-interactive material for planning purposes).
• Maintenance manuals.
• Aircraft maintenance reporting manuals.
• Aircraft flight log and servicing records.
• Autopilot approach and autoland records.
• Flight management system (FMS)/flight management and guidance system problem
report forms.
• Aircraft parts manuals.
• Service Bulletins (SB)/published Airworthiness Directives (AD), etc.
• Air Transport Association of America (ATA) 100-format maintenance discrepancy
writeup codes.
• Required Very high frequency Omnidirectional Range (VOR) check records.
• Minimum equipment lists (MEL).
• Configuration Deviation Lists (CDL).
• Federal, State, and airport-specific rules and regulations.
• Airport/Facility Directory (A/FD) data (e.g., fuel availability, LAHSO distances for
specific runway combinations, etc.).
• Noise abatement procedures for arriving and departing aircraft.
• Published (graphical) pilot Notices to Airmen (NOTAM).
• International Operations Manuals, including regional supplementary information and
International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) differences.
• Aeronautical Information Publications (AIP).
• Aeronautical Information Manual (AIM).
• Oceanic navigation progress logs.
• Pilot flight and duty-time logs.
• Flightcrew required rest logs.
• Flightcrew qualification logs (such as aircraft qualifications, Class II flightcrew qualifications, Category (CAT) III) qualifications, high minimums logs, night currency logs, pilot-in-command (PIC) qualifications for special areas, routes, and airports for 14 CFR part 121 certificate holders and special airports qualifications).
• Captain’s report (i.e., captain’s incident reporting form).
• Flightcrew survey forms (various).
• EMS reference library (for use during medical emergencies).
• Trip scheduling and bid lists.
• Aircraft’s captain’s logs.
• Aircraft’s CAT II/CAT III landing records.
• Antiterrorism profile data.
• Hazardous materials (hazmat)/oxidizer look-up tables.
• ICAO Doc 9481-AN/928, Emergency Response Guidance for Aircraft Incidents
Involving Dangerous Goods.
• Customs declaration and United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) agriculture
inspection/clearance form.
• Special reporting forms, such as near midair collision (NMAC) reports, National
Aeronautics and Space Administration’s (NASA) Aviation Safety Reporting System (ASRS), bird and wildlife encounters, owner-initiated Service Difficulty Reports (SDR), etc.
• Incidents of interference to aircraft electronic equipment from devices carried aboard aircraft.
• Current fuel prices at various airports.
• Realistic training modules, including “PC at home” training applications, “off-duty”
training materials review, and pre-flight “mission” rehearsals.
• Check airman and flight instructor records.
• Aircraft operating and information manuals (performance information, W&B, systems,
limitations, etc.).
• Airline Policy and Procedures Manuals (PPM).
• Aircraft Maintenance Manuals.
• Title 14 CFR.
• Look-up and completion of various reporting forms; e.g., company-specific forms,
NASA’s ASRS reports, NMAC reports, wildlife strike and hazard reports, etc.
• Maintenance personnel signoff of discrepancy form. (Maintenance discrepancy logs need
to be downloaded into a permanent record at least weekly.)
• Flightcrew qualifications recordkeeping, including aircraft qualifications, CAT II/III,
high minimums, landing currency, flight and duty time, etc.
• PIC currency requirements.
• Passenger information requests—some are directed to the gate or to the agent meeting the
flight (e.g., special meal requests, wheelchair requirements, unaccompanied minors, gate
information for connecting flights, flights being held for connecting passengers, etc.).
• Cabin maintenance writeups. (Maintenance discrepancy logs need to be downloaded into
a permanent record at least weekly.)

fmp320 20th Oct 2011 19:58

Hey are you another EASA "specialist"?
Ok you win... Jeez

compressor stall 21st Oct 2011 01:53

FMP320, fear not the naysayers caught up in their company and regulator's stone age views. Elsewhere in the world, the ram suction mount works very nicely on the side window of the A320 running everything you describe, plus the Jepp charts. And it does not require spit. :ugh:

You would need to remove it to play angry birds though.

N1 Limit 22nd Oct 2011 20:46

Anybody out there to direct me where to get 737NG apps for IPAD2 especially for performances,fuel calculations?thanks

olepilot 23rd Oct 2011 00:34

About FE Hoppy
pain in the ****


mutt 23rd Oct 2011 08:25

FE Hoppy has a point, you are either going to use the IPAD as a EFB or a PED, in the case of the EFB the use must be approved by your authorities, in the case of a PED, it must be off for takeoff / landing just like in the passenger cabin.

I just purchased a knee strap and an external GPS antenna for the IPAD2 in order to improve the location functions in the Jeppesen FD APP, it's an excellent tool for use inflight, but we are lucky that our local authorities are not living in the dark ages :)


Don Coyote 23rd Oct 2011 12:47

I agree with FE Hoppy on this. Lots of operator manuals do not allow the use of electronic devices on the flight deck; those that do specify that they should be properly stowed during critical stages of flight.

Any sort of fixing, temporary or permanent, to the aircraft qualifies the device as an EFB and then appropriate approvals are required.

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