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Watchdog 26th Mar 2006 18:43

wheresthecoffee...I know we are all really saying the same basic stuff here but the definitions of manoeuvre speed and target speed are not the same as you say. The target is, just like aiming my gun, is where I'd like my bullet to go. As gnads says - the bus, in managed, needs something to aim for and provides a margin well above the minimum to as to provide for things like challenging atmospheric conditions etc. So knowing this and dependent on the conditions at the time (as we are all talking about here) we can use our knowledge to provide for a more efficient operation.

Airbus doesn't pay for your fuel. :ok:

Right Way Up 27th Mar 2006 08:28

Straight from the FCTM:

"If selected speed is to be used to comply with ATC, the requested speed should
be selected on FCU. A speed below the manoeuvring speed of the present
configuration may be selected provided it is above VLS."

junior_man 27th Mar 2006 12:20

I don't think anybody has had an A 320 stall yet?

Remember, this airplane is different than others.

737 speeds are mainly to keep it from turning you upside down if the rudder misbehaves.

Gnadenburg 28th Mar 2006 00:42


Originally Posted by Right Way Up
Straight from the FCTM:
"If selected speed is to be used to comply with ATC, the requested speed should
be selected on FCU. A speed below the manoeuvring speed of the present
configuration may be selected provided it is above VLS."


FCTM & the Instructor Support Manual states similar.

The FCTM is highly recommended reading- for old Boeing boffins especially!

SIDSTAR 30th Mar 2006 04:27

No problem in flying below S speed by a few knots if required by ATC speed constraint. All in FCTM and FCOM. Poor understanding of systems by pilots coming from other manufacturers' types, not helped by poor (systems)training by both Airbus and airlines/TRTOs. As stated earlier, S speed is a target speed used by autoflight system with A/THR engaged using managed speed. Use selected speed and you can fly any speed right down to VLS. Of course, as you approach VLS, your protection above the stall reduces. Using flap and/or gear unnecessarily simply means you're burning fuel for no good reason. You can fly below S speed with Flap 1 (slats only) if you want to, but always best to respect your company's SOPs. If you're not happy with them, talk to your Chief Pilot! You can always ask ATC if 180/185 is OK and the required tolerance is +/- 10 kts.

Dream Land 30th Mar 2006 09:39

Several have mentioned "'fuel savings", has anyone compared the fuel savings between config 1 @ 170kts versus config 2 @ 170 kts, just curious.


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