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El Al Airlines installs anti-missile systems on passenger aircraft
Ummm, let me check the QRH for bogies at 12 o'clock... :ooh:
El Al Airlines installs anti-missile systems on passenger aircraft Reuters | February 16 2006 El Al Israel Airlines has installed anti-missiles systems on its passenger aircraft, completing an overhaul launched after a 2002 attempt to shoot down a plane, security sources said on Wednesday. They said the "Flight Guard", an Israeli-made system costing around $1 million per unit, was operational on the entire El Al fleet. It was not immediately clear if this applied to five planes leased by El Al as well as its own 29 aircraft. El Al, Israel's national carrier and largest airline, declined to comment, saying it did not discuss security issues. Israel stepped up efforts to adapt military anti-missile systems for its civilian aircraft after an Israeli charter jet came under attack from shoulder-held missiles in Kenya in 2002. The missiles, fired by attackers linked to al-Qaida, missed. Flight Guard was developed by state-owned Israel Military Industries and the Elta defense firm - a unit of state owned Israel Aircraft Industries. El Al began installing the system in its planes in 2004 |
ELAL has been the inovator in aviation security. Yeah... jokes have been made of them in the past... but how many of their jets have been hi-jacked? A number of carriers in the world have adopted ELAL's security scheme as well.
Not just limited to airlines, but every one has the right to take what ever measures necessary to protect themselves from these god damned Al-Qaida animals who proclaim in the name of Allah the "Infidels must die"! Right on ELAl! Give these bastards something to think about! |
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The Israelis have always been several steps ahead of Europe and the US regarding security and intelligence gathering,s so obviously they´re on to something...
Let´s wait until the first western airliner is blown out of the sky by a second hand Stinger bought on the black market, maybe then our naive politicians/lawmakers will wake up to reality. :{ |
The domestic and safety side of this equipment will raise issues, you can't just park an aircraft armed with flares in the middle of an international airport...
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Originally Posted by DME MILOS
The domestic and safety side of this equipment will raise issues, you can't just park an aircraft armed with flares in the middle of an international airport...
You have more hazards surrounding airports than these anti missle cannisters which are designed to produce heat in a localized area. They are nothing more than roadside flares except they produce heat. The flame does not provide thrust. |
Originally Posted by DME MILOS
The domestic and safety side of this equipment will raise issues, you can't just park an aircraft armed with flares in the middle of an international airport...
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Sounds like they must have got around the issue and organised remote parking at their destinations then.
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Originally Posted by DME MILOS
Sounds like they must have got around the issue and organised remote parking at their destinations then.
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Must be a very understanding airport manager then, I wouldn't like my aircraft on the next stand being refuelled with potentially live flares capable of firing 20 yards away.
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El Al always has a way of bending the law/safety in the name of ´self defence.´
Just look at the El Al 747 crash in AMS 15 years ago! :suspect: |
Originally Posted by Vizcaya
El Al always has a way of bending the law/safety in the name of ´self defence.´
Just look at the El Al 747 crash in AMS 15 years ago! :suspect: Wow! I never thought of that! Wow! Well I guess according to you, I guess your real name must be GARP, in keeping in line with your ideas that must mean every airline... such as British Airways, Air France, American, Delta, Korean, China Airlines, JAL... to name a few are all bending the law and have no regard to safety. You present your thoughts to ICAO in Montreal. Damn, you must be a Rhodes Scholar, or is it Road's Skoller:confused: ... I guess. |
Prudence & anticipation will save lives
the plethora of arms with militant outfits popping up everyday need to be tackled in advance..... i for one will insist this protection in aircraft flying to Kashmir !
Originally Posted by armada
Ummm, let me check the QRH for bogies at 12 o'clock... :ooh:
El Al Airlines installs anti-missile systems on passenger aircraft Reuters | February 16 2006 El Al Israel Airlines has installed anti-missiles systems on its passenger aircraft, completing an overhaul launched after a 2002 attempt to shoot down a plane, security sources said on Wednesday. They said the "Flight Guard", an Israeli-made system costing around $1 million per unit, was operational on the entire El Al fleet. It was not immediately clear if this applied to five planes leased by El Al as well as its own 29 aircraft. El Al, Israel's national carrier and largest airline, declined to comment, saying it did not discuss security issues. Israel stepped up efforts to adapt military anti-missile systems for its civilian aircraft after an Israeli charter jet came under attack from shoulder-held missiles in Kenya in 2002. The missiles, fired by attackers linked to al-Qaida, missed. Flight Guard was developed by state-owned Israel Military Industries and the Elta defense firm - a unit of state owned Israel Aircraft Industries. El Al began installing the system in its planes in 2004 |
Good for you u no hoo
You can't trust anyone to even come near your aircraft unsupervised in any of these fourth world countries! |
Originally Posted by captjns
Let me see if I understand your opinion correctly.... what your'e saying is that if an airline experiences a tragic loss, or has an accident, it's solely because they bend the law and have no regard to safety.
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Explosive Flares Aboard an A/C -- Omigawd!!!
I guess that means we have to unpack all the door slide/rafts and pull out the flares from the survival equipment:}
It seems from the helicopter downings in Iraq that the bad guys don't restrict themselves to IR seekers:uhoh: |
No more explosive than jet fuel... or the explosive squibs on Engine or APU fire extinguisher bottles... or Oxygen.. or Chemical Oxygen generators.
The most hazardous materials on commercial aircraft today is the food and coffee. |
Would these not need permission as "weapons" (albeit defensive) when going into different airspaces?
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Originally Posted by RatherBeFlying
I guess that means we have to unpack all the door slide/rafts and pull out the flares from the survival equipment:}
It seems from the helicopter downings in Iraq that the bad guys don't restrict themselves to IR seekers:uhoh: when i had them strapped to my first jet we treated them with the upmost respect. they were made safe with pins, like gear pins, that were removed by the groundcrew in a designated arming area. and i seem to remember that we didn't arm them electrically till we were airborne (was 8 years ago so i may be confused). I think the issue is not having defensive aids but how they are armed and safed. u drop some flares or chaff on a busy pan at a major airport and you'll hurt some people, no doubt. as for your expert anaylasis of the bad guys tactics. we'll be safe when we have jamming pods, flares, chaff and a handy stealth mode making us invisible from the stolen zsu sitting at the end of runway! next thing you know we'll be painting the jets grey and giving them sharks teeth:O |
Does anyone know if the system has JAA or FAA certification? Surely such systems have to be certificated, and if they are not, is it legal to fly into ICAO airports with them installed?
If a plane can be downed by a couple of old O2 generators popping themselves on (ValuJet DC9) and starting a fire, how much more hazardous are real pyrotechnics like the flares in the Flight Guard system? The anti-missile systems under study in the US and UK for possible installation on airliners are based on infra-red jamming because the flare option has been rejected as hazardous to the aircraft, regardless of whether the flares would pose fire hazards on the ground. Rumour states some airliners have jamming systems based on BAE's ALQ 144 already, e.g. one or two with Qantas, Singapore and Royal Jordanian, probably the fleet aircraft that double as their “air force ones”. A few top CEO business jets have them too. Some more facts on the legality of the Israeli and all the other anti-missile systems currently in operation would be welcome here. |
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