Absolute minimum temperature?
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Absolute minimum temperature?
Is there a Boeing limit of absolute minimum OAT? (Not minimum fuel temp)
The lowest I personally observed was -74*C at FL450 over the Baltic, but was told by a BA F/E that he had seen -85*C over Siberia.
Is there a limit and why? Thanks.
The lowest I personally observed was -74*C at FL450 over the Baltic, but was told by a BA F/E that he had seen -85*C over Siberia.
Is there a limit and why? Thanks.
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Most aircraft have an environmental envelope published in their AFM, for the B737NG the lower limit is -73.5C from FL360 and above.
Pretty sure somebody else can elaborate on why exactly it is needed.
Pretty sure somebody else can elaborate on why exactly it is needed.
Originally Posted by Intruder
For many things, they can only certify what they test to.
Another issue is many of the data tables only extend over a specific temperature and altitude range - e.g. engine ratings. I recall an issue perhaps six or seven winters ago when a big cold front hit part of Europe - it was bitter cold, but more importantly the pressure altitude dropped well below -1000 ft. The takeoff performance data for some types didn't go below -1,000 ft., resulting in several aircraft being grounded for several days.
Most tends to be a fuel gel point, read about a DC10 over Russia years back that was reaching min tank temp. ATC wouldn't allow any deviation lower/faster etc....... the F/O suggested wing deice, the temp slowly rose due to hot bleed air in the leding edge. Several years back air canada was stuck in yzf for 2 weeks because the temps didn't rise above -48 during that time, what [email protected] makes a skidoo that doesn't run in the winter. Oh right some PQ numb nuts
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Been plenty of incidents over the years with fuel gelling. BA38 comes to mind. An aircraft which I was looking after, some years ago, nearly came to grief on the way to NZ - fortunately the PIC recognised the symptoms from a conference paper several years prior, descended, and the problem resolved.
Originally Posted by HILETI
Is there a Boeing limit of absolute minimum OAT? (Not minimum fuel temp)
The lowest I personally observed was -74*C at FL450 over the Baltic, but was told by a BA F/E that he had seen -85*C over Siberia.
Is there a limit and why? Thanks.
The lowest I personally observed was -74*C at FL450 over the Baltic, but was told by a BA F/E that he had seen -85*C over Siberia.
Is there a limit and why? Thanks.
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Stolen shamelessly from the inter-web. Continental's 777-224, dated 08/09/02 (for whatever Christmas sake that means?).
The left edge-line is relevant, showing a binding limit at -75° C when above FL315.
On Airbuses the FCOM chart is pretty much the same.
The left edge-line is relevant, showing a binding limit at -75° C when above FL315.
On Airbuses the FCOM chart is pretty much the same.
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Originally Posted by 70 Mustang
i think I remember our ops manual or performance manual having a chart like the above 777 environmental envelope, but I cannot find it. Yet.
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70 Mustang Your charts say TAT, mine OAT. Reader beware.
Check Airman It's the spirit of the date, not the format that matters. :-)
Check Airman It's the spirit of the date, not the format that matters. :-)
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For the 737 I could not find the environmental envelope chart in any of the FCOMs I caught online. Somebody above said it's inside the AFM.
The graph I posted is from Continental Airlines 772 FCOM, 2002 edition. Probably heavily tailored. https://curiozitydotnet.files.wordpr...ght-manual.pdf
The 747 FCOM found is ZK-SUI from ILFC and content-wise looks identical with the 737 in the Limitations Chapter. No Environmental Envelope Graph.
The graph I posted is from Continental Airlines 772 FCOM, 2002 edition. Probably heavily tailored. https://curiozitydotnet.files.wordpr...ght-manual.pdf
The 747 FCOM found is ZK-SUI from ILFC and content-wise looks identical with the 737 in the Limitations Chapter. No Environmental Envelope Graph.
