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Old 27th Dec 2019, 11:47
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How much does a go around in an A380 cost the airline?

Hi, I was just wondering if anyone can give a rough guess as to what a go around costs an airline? Specifically for an a380, but if you know the costs for any other types that would also be appreciated, thanks.
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As a pilot You shouldn’t care. As a manager You should know and just take it into account.
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Jet fuel costs about $650 per tonne.
A go-around, radar circuit and approach and landing will take about 15 mins, maybe longer.
Guestimates for fuel burn for 15mins:

A380: 3T costs $1950
747: 2.5T costs $1625
787: 1.3T costs $845
737: 0.7T costs $455

Of course, you would have to add the extra cost of 15mins of flight time (maintenance, crew, etc) as well as any extra approach fees and the costs of any delay caused by the go-around.
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Originally Posted by sonicbum
As a pilot You shouldn’t care. As a manager You should know and just take it into account.
I flew with a captain that is a beancounter wannabe and didn't want me to use datalink to get wx reports because "it's very expensive for the company". Sure, better get off the radios and create a potential for loss of communication if you stuff up the transfer of radios at some point...

So yes, I can see a pilot or two worrying about that.

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Originally Posted by Banana Joe
I flew with a captain that is a beancounter wannabe and didn't want me to use datalink to get wx reports because "it's very expensive for the company". Sure, better get off the radios and create a potential for loss of communication if you stuff up the transfer of radios at some point...

So yes, I can see a pilot or two worrying about that.
That’s exactly why You shouldn’t care, to avoid those types of behavior. Today it’s the acars, tomorrow it’s no de-icing or no go around because it’s expensive.
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Originally Posted by Banana Joe
I flew with a captain that is a beancounter wannabe and didn't want me to use datalink to get wx reports because "it's very expensive for the company". Sure, better get off the radios and create a potential for loss of communication if you stuff up the transfer of radios at some point...

So yes, I can see a pilot or two worrying about that.
I assume you allowed him to get the weather and clearance himself then?
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Originally Posted by eckhard
Jet fuel costs about $650 per tonne.
A go-around, radar circuit and approach and landing will take about 15 mins, maybe longer.
Guestimates for fuel burn for 15mins:

A380: 3T costs $1950
747: 2.5T costs $1625
787: 1.3T costs $845
737: 0.7T costs $455

Of course, you would have to add the extra cost of 15mins of flight time (maintenance, crew, etc) as well as any extra approach fees and the costs of any delay caused by the go-around.
About the cost caused by the delay. It can be very expensive, in specific conditions :
- The airline is based on the hub model
- The flight is supposed to land at the hub airport
- There are many passengers on board that can miss a connection
Ballpark figure is that 20 mins can cause 10 k$ loss. It can vary a huge lot of course, it's just a guestimate based on figure I saw at my airline's tool for managing delays.

A380 full of connection pax, and if the following flights cannot wait to depart (because of curfew for example), and if the hotels are all booked, it will be much much larger than a flight with local pax or pax with connecting flights that can wait.
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How much would it cost if said captain hadn't done a go around?
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Originally Posted by Dannyboy39
How much would it cost if said captain hadn't done a go around?
Well asked question, thank you for the sense check.
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Originally Posted by sonicbum
As a pilot You shouldn’t care. As a manager You should know and just take it into account.
Hard to say it any better that Sonic already has.
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It is considered one of the most important and dangerous movements. It is not related to financial costs, but to air safety first than the question is how much does it cost if not ???????
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Not going around when you should can cost the whole airline.
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Any well known business will have contingency built into their budget (their costing model) for such occurrences.
When they become necessary, provided the budgeting was realistic, then they cost nothing above that which was anticipated.

If per chance they do not occur then the company, airline or otherwise, gets to reap a bonus.
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From a statistical point of view, in terms of revenue from pax versus fuel burned, no more than an A320, give or take a bit for ticket price variables.
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Everybody here is talking about the loss of money but nobody talks about the loss of face for the pilots.
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Originally Posted by iggy
Everybody here is talking about the loss of money but nobody talks about the loss of face for the pilots.
Only a poor pilot loses face from a go-around...
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Originally Posted by Check Airman


Only a poor pilot loses face from a go-around...
Can't tell a joke anymore in this place? 😭
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As others have said.

It would Cost Less to Go around than not to
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Originally Posted by iggy
Can't tell a joke anymore in this place? 😭
Didn’t realise it was in jest. Apologies.
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Originally Posted by e32lover
Hi, I was just wondering if anyone can give a rough guess as to what a go around costs an airline? Specifically for an a380, but if you know the costs for any other types that would also be appreciated, thanks.
Based on Qantas data and another charter cost numbers, its seems $30,000 per hour a reasonable airline cost for the A380.

This will include many items not required for a go around but go around's will be a contingency cost.

​​​​​​​So if the go around takes 20 minutes it "roughly" costs the airline $10,000.
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