CYFB and CYYQ wingspan limited?
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CYFB and CYYQ wingspan limited?
Flying over northern Canada the other day, we had a bit of a discussion in the flightdeck about the usability of CYYQ (Churchill) and CYFB (Iqaluit aka Frobisher Bay) as diversion alternates. Both seem to have a published limitation on the maximum wing span on the main landing runway. Take CYFB. The electronic version of the jeppesen airway manual airport directory states a wingspan limit of max 51 m, which would make it unsuitable for our 60 m wide B787. However, my non-updated paper version Jepp AD doesn’t have that limit. Our own OM-C lists it as a usable alternate. I checked some other (old) OM-C’s. Quatar approves it for their 777, and Emirates is even happy to put an A380 there. To top that off, British A landed a 787-9 on 12 sept last year at Iqualuit. Generally speaking, i find it very unusual to have a wingspan limit on a long enough instrument landing runway with standard width. Beyond the obvious “in a dire emergency i will put it down anyhere”, i feel that i am missing something here. Anybody any thoughts?
Flying over northern Canada the other day, we had a bit of a discussion in the flightdeck about the usability of CYYQ (Churchill) and CYFB (Iqaluit aka Frobisher Bay) as diversion alternates. Both seem to have a published limitation on the maximum wing span on the main landing runway. Take CYFB. The electronic version of the jeppesen airway manual airport directory states a wingspan limit of max 51 m, which would make it unsuitable for our 60 m wide B787. However, my non-updated paper version Jepp AD doesn’t have that limit. Our own OM-C lists it as a usable alternate. I checked some other (old) OM-C’s. Quatar approves it for their 777, and Emirates is even happy to put an A380 there. To top that off, British A landed a 787-9 on 12 sept last year at Iqualuit. Generally speaking, i find it very unusual to have a wingspan limit on a long enough instrument landing runway with standard width. Beyond the obvious “in a dire emergency i will put it down anyhere”, i feel that i am missing something here. Anybody any thoughts?
A mistake is always possible.
But are we sure the limitation is strictly for runway width - or whether, having landed, maneuvering may be problematic? I note a VA 747 that diverted to CYFB in 1996 hit a ramp fuel pump with one engine.
Lot of new construction there 2014-2017 (A380 test was 2006, looks like 747-8 must have been about 2011?) - the gate areas for the new terminal (if actually full of aircraft) don't leave a lot of width for the taxiway.
Churchill is different, with a decent "loop" for getting turned around at the end of RWY 15, but on-the-ramp car parking and other oddities on the main ramp.
Could it also be a tempo restriction due to ongoing construction?
Anyway, some actual aerial views. See any problem areas for big spans?
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Iq...!4d-68.5444448
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ch...!4d-94.0752232
But are we sure the limitation is strictly for runway width - or whether, having landed, maneuvering may be problematic? I note a VA 747 that diverted to CYFB in 1996 hit a ramp fuel pump with one engine.
Lot of new construction there 2014-2017 (A380 test was 2006, looks like 747-8 must have been about 2011?) - the gate areas for the new terminal (if actually full of aircraft) don't leave a lot of width for the taxiway.
Churchill is different, with a decent "loop" for getting turned around at the end of RWY 15, but on-the-ramp car parking and other oddities on the main ramp.
Could it also be a tempo restriction due to ongoing construction?
Anyway, some actual aerial views. See any problem areas for big spans?
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Iq...!4d-68.5444448
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ch...!4d-94.0752232
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CYYQ doesn't have any nominated fire cover... And the loop at the end of 15 seems to be distinctly closed, both on our charts and via the view on google earth. But, on our charts, the wingspan restriction has been removed.
Our CYFB charts notes no wingspan restriction... Can't find the original AIP text entries on NavCanada to check the source documents for either though...
Our CYFB charts notes no wingspan restriction... Can't find the original AIP text entries on NavCanada to check the source documents for either though...
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IIRC, CYYQ has limited FIRE cat. and has imposed a wingspan limit of 36m (code C?). Effectively meaning they do not want bigger aircraft in there. But if the proverbial s**t hits the fan, the runway is there. You just can´t file it as an ETOPS alternate.
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Iqualit's runway is 200ft/61m wide. How on earth could there be a narrower limit on wingspan??
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I think it is a Canadian oddity. Airport CAT is not based on physical characteristics only but also on largest scheduled aircraft type. Your airline would have to check with the airport operator if it can accommodate your type for unscheduled stops. CYBF would accept anything up to A380, no problem. CYYQ is a different story, as mentioned, you could not manoeuvre a large jet around; if you evacuate on the runway, polar bears would eat you as you come off the slides...
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I think it is a Canadian oddity. Airport CAT is not based on physical characteristics only but also on largest scheduled aircraft type. Your airline would have to check with the airport operator if it can accommodate your type for unscheduled stops. CYBF would accept anything up to A380, no problem. CYYQ is a different story, as mentioned, you could not manoeuvre a large jet around; if you evacuate on the runway, polar bears would eat you as you come off the slides...
