'intercept LOC' can be substituted to 'intercept G/S as well'?
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Staying above glide slope to 25 runways until FAF to LAX must have been do to clear airspace below the ILS for other airspace limitations. Obstacle clearance was not a problem. Must have drove the Airbus pilots crazy having to level for 30 seconds.
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He must be. Any professional pilot nowadays has an instrument rating included in the 190 hr package. On top of that there is a level 4 ELP required, I believe.
I've got these whizz-kids in the sim. They too DO NOT LISTEN. They arm APP when cleared for "established localiser; called established". I use this a tool to test if they are listening and understanding, and to alert them to the vagaries of ATC.
Regarding overall intelligence they also ask, when on a 90 degree base heading, "are we cleared for approach". Their IR training must have missed out the maximum 60 degree and standard 45 degree intercept angle.
I've got these whizz-kids in the sim. They too DO NOT LISTEN. They arm APP when cleared for "established localiser; called established". I use this a tool to test if they are listening and understanding, and to alert them to the vagaries of ATC.
Regarding overall intelligence they also ask, when on a 90 degree base heading, "are we cleared for approach". Their IR training must have missed out the maximum 60 degree and standard 45 degree intercept angle.
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There may also be an issue of DOC of the glide slope which requires a further step down prior to being cleared for the approach.
Level bust and paperwork if you do descend without a clearance and I don't need that ))
Level bust and paperwork if you do descend without a clearance and I don't need that ))
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"fly XXX arrival, cleared for ILS 25L"
One. Is fly the XXX Arrival and then cleared for the ILS meaning after flying the XXX Arrival, i.e., follow the Arrival and when you get to the int/final/approach bit, then "Descend" on the ILS.
Two. ILS implys going down the G/S, because the ILS is the G/S included, whereas the Loc is not, as you succinctly put it.
(and the magic word of all skies: UNLESS VISUAL: "If you don`t have a glideslope indication when you should have one - then d-o-n-t descend)
@ cosmic
some might mistake automation on the flight deck with a sort of kitt mode...
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