BAe146-200 Operations at IAO/RPNS
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BAe146-200 Operations at IAO/RPNS
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Here on Siargao Island, at present, our island airport of IAO/RPNS is restricted to ATR42/72 movements (from/to Cebu) simply because of the length of the runway with the ATR being, until recently, the largest airliner operated in the Philippines and capable of operating thru here, I don't have TORA/TODA figures available but the runway length is 1,326m/4,420ft, the temperature is normally HOT, with little if any wind, there is no fuel here thus round trip fuel needs to be carried and Jenson Button would be proud of the standing starts these ATR's achieve from the runway threshold.
Now the island is ranting and raving about a new operator (skyjetair) that is to operate BAe146-200 aircraft (in Y96 config) direct from/to Manila and, bearing in mind this is the Philippines, I'm having doubts regarding performance issues of BAe146-200's thru what is, effectively, a jungle landing strip of a mere 1,326m/4,420ft in length.
I'm just wondering if someone might have some BAe146-200 manuals or a computer to hand to run the figures thru ...
It would be MNL/IAO/MNL carrying round trip fuel, let's say 96 passengers in each direction, most of them surfers so, let's say 80% male, 20% female, plus bags and a quantity of surfboards, let's say the alternate for IAO is SUG with the alternate for MNL being CRK.
I feel the figures must work but I just wonder how marginal these figures may be?
Here on Siargao Island, at present, our island airport of IAO/RPNS is restricted to ATR42/72 movements (from/to Cebu) simply because of the length of the runway with the ATR being, until recently, the largest airliner operated in the Philippines and capable of operating thru here, I don't have TORA/TODA figures available but the runway length is 1,326m/4,420ft, the temperature is normally HOT, with little if any wind, there is no fuel here thus round trip fuel needs to be carried and Jenson Button would be proud of the standing starts these ATR's achieve from the runway threshold.
Now the island is ranting and raving about a new operator (skyjetair) that is to operate BAe146-200 aircraft (in Y96 config) direct from/to Manila and, bearing in mind this is the Philippines, I'm having doubts regarding performance issues of BAe146-200's thru what is, effectively, a jungle landing strip of a mere 1,326m/4,420ft in length.
I'm just wondering if someone might have some BAe146-200 manuals or a computer to hand to run the figures thru ...
It would be MNL/IAO/MNL carrying round trip fuel, let's say 96 passengers in each direction, most of them surfers so, let's say 80% male, 20% female, plus bags and a quantity of surfboards, let's say the alternate for IAO is SUG with the alternate for MNL being CRK.
I feel the figures must work but I just wonder how marginal these figures may be?
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Dan-Air used to operate a 146-300 into Berne in Switzeland, not so hot but 1.3K runway.
Can be done but probably sweaty unless loads limited or other measures employed?
Can be done but probably sweaty unless loads limited or other measures employed?
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Thanks for the replies and info, had a look at the performance data and as I suspected it does seem pretty close to being on the numbers, the average daytime temperature here is around +30 and with no airfield lighting nor navigation aids it's daytime and visual operations only
To compound matters the operator offers a free baggage allowance of 10kg in the hold and 7kg in the cabin, and excess baggage is commonplace here in the Philippines, and many of the travellers here (Cloud 9) are surfers travelling with their surfboards.
As I've just written to a friend "I'll wait for the operation to prove itself before I'll consider travelling on it".
Thanks again
To compound matters the operator offers a free baggage allowance of 10kg in the hold and 7kg in the cabin, and excess baggage is commonplace here in the Philippines, and many of the travellers here (Cloud 9) are surfers travelling with their surfboards.
As I've just written to a friend "I'll wait for the operation to prove itself before I'll consider travelling on it".
Thanks again
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This is becoming frightening:
Caticlan has a 810m/2,657ft runway, here's a couple of pics from Caticlan 
“The BAe 146 is safer and faster than turbo propeller aircraft currently used in the Philippines,” said Dr. Joel Mendoza, Chief Executive Officer of Skyjet Airlines, adding that Short Take Off and Landing (STOL) planes like the BAe 146 are ideal for island destinations like Batanes, Virac, Busuanga, Siargao, Caticlan, Surigao, Catarman and other destinations with short runways.
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STOL aircraft runway length
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Asian Spirit used to operate the BAe 146 into Caticlan regularly:
To be sure, they used the 146-100, and limited it to 60 seats instead of its normal 80. AFAIK, the distance is shorter, as well.
To be sure, they used the 146-100, and limited it to 60 seats instead of its normal 80. AFAIK, the distance is shorter, as well.
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Ahem ...
Filipino Skyjet Air suspends operations after BAe146 is written off
24OCT2013
Skyjet Air (5M, Manila) has suspended services after its BAe 146-200, RP-C5525 (c/n E2031), operating on behalf of Alphaland Corporation, overran the runway on touchdown at Balesin Island airstrip on October 19. The Aviation Herald writes that the quadjet's captain had miscalculated the runway's length, bringing the aircraft to a stop some 200m beyond the runway's threshold. The Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines has written the aircraft off after it was inundated by a subsequent high tide. While Skyjet Air has not made any official announcements yet, it has currently suspended ticket sales for the next couple of departure dates. RP-C5525 is the carrier's only aircraft.
Filipino Skyjet Air suspends operations after BAe146 is written off
24OCT2013
Skyjet Air (5M, Manila) has suspended services after its BAe 146-200, RP-C5525 (c/n E2031), operating on behalf of Alphaland Corporation, overran the runway on touchdown at Balesin Island airstrip on October 19. The Aviation Herald writes that the quadjet's captain had miscalculated the runway's length, bringing the aircraft to a stop some 200m beyond the runway's threshold. The Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines has written the aircraft off after it was inundated by a subsequent high tide. While Skyjet Air has not made any official announcements yet, it has currently suspended ticket sales for the next couple of departure dates. RP-C5525 is the carrier's only aircraft.
