g/a flaps in event of overweight landing on the a319/320
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Hi Natstrackalpha,
I suggest you try and get your money back.
If not, I want my money back. (post #5)
The original queston was - if you would be bothered to look - about an overweight landing it did not imply, or suggest or even infer that this was an EO situation - which you have brought into the . . . conversation - as you are probably bored or something.
The original queston was - if you would be bothered to look - about an overweight landing it did not imply, or suggest or even infer that this was an EO situation - which you have brought into the . . . conversation - as you are probably bored or something.
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g/a flap in over weight landing
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In all overweight landings, even if the weight would allow a conf3 go around if the approach is done in conf3, retract flaps to 1+f on goaround. This is explained by Airbus.
In all overweight landings, even if the weight would allow a conf3 go around if the approach is done in conf3, retract flaps to 1+f on goaround. This is explained by Airbus.
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g/a flaps in event of overweight landing on the a319/320
I need some help on this.On a normal g/a [at weights below max landing weights ],we put the flap up one notch once g/a thrust is set.The fcom abnormal procedures overweight landing procedure states that in all cases if ldg configuration is different from flaps full[most cases it will be config 3],use 1+f for g/a.So do we move the flap lever two notches up from config 3 to config 1+f after setting g/a thrust in case of overweight landing. .Just need a confirmation as i have rarely done this sort of exercise on the simulators.thks
I need some help on this.On a normal g/a [at weights below max landing weights ],we put the flap up one notch once g/a thrust is set.The fcom abnormal procedures overweight landing procedure states that in all cases if ldg configuration is different from flaps full[most cases it will be config 3],use 1+f for g/a.So do we move the flap lever two notches up from config 3 to config 1+f after setting g/a thrust in case of overweight landing. .Just need a confirmation as i have rarely done this sort of exercise on the simulators.thks
Yes, go to F1 straight from either 3 or 4 and yey, bypassing 2.
Which will give you config 1+F..
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Hi ssflying,
You can find more info on that in your FCTM under "Abnormal Operations" then "Miscellaneous" and "Overweight Landing". The answer to your question is yes if the approach climb limiting weight is not satisfied with CONF3.
LikeABoss,
As per FCOM Procedures Go around, PNF retracts one step the flaps, ending up in CONF2.
Cheers.
You can find more info on that in your FCTM under "Abnormal Operations" then "Miscellaneous" and "Overweight Landing". The answer to your question is yes if the approach climb limiting weight is not satisfied with CONF3.
LikeABoss,
As per FCOM Procedures Go around, PNF retracts one step the flaps, ending up in CONF2.
Cheers.
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LOL, what a mess here ... 
first, i never had an airbus in the hands, just had the oppurtunity to jump into a full motion a320 sim just for fun during a crm refresher course.
but this was experience enough to learn that the bus has the following configurations on the flap lever :
1
2
3
full
selecting 1 on ground results in 1+F .( maybe also in the air at some conditions, dont ask me)
first, i never had an airbus in the hands, just had the oppurtunity to jump into a full motion a320 sim just for fun during a crm refresher course.
but this was experience enough to learn that the bus has the following configurations on the flap lever :
1
2
3
full
selecting 1 on ground results in 1+F .( maybe also in the air at some conditions, dont ask me)
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I realy wasn't going to write again as our flight sim friend (Nats) seemed happy talking to himself.
But please, this is a tech forum. Amongst alot of other rubbish he has spouted this particularly needs to be addressed:
you never go from 4 to 1
Please take your references from the FCOM/FCTM/QRH etc. and don't read anything written by dubious posters on this forum.
But please, this is a tech forum. Amongst alot of other rubbish he has spouted this particularly needs to be addressed:
Yes, go to F1 straight from either 3 or 4 and yey, bypassing 2.
Please take your references from the FCOM/FCTM/QRH etc. and don't read anything written by dubious posters on this forum.
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Ah, yes, did I say bypassing 3 ? No I did not.
Written in that way, however, could have been read as go straight from 4 to 1 (giving 1+F) especially by somebody who does not know that one never goes from 4 to 1.
Written in that way, however, could have been read as go straight from 4 to 1 (giving 1+F) especially by somebody who does not know that one never goes from 4 to 1.
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Hi guys,
To avoid further confusion here is an extract from the eFCOM. Check out PRO-ABD-80 p9:
"If the aircraft weight is above the maximum weight for go-around use FLAPS 3 for landing and FLAP 1+F for go-around.
I think this makes it quite clear.
Kind Regards,
Martin
To avoid further confusion here is an extract from the eFCOM. Check out PRO-ABD-80 p9:
"If the aircraft weight is above the maximum weight for go-around use FLAPS 3 for landing and FLAP 1+F for go-around.
I think this makes it quite clear.
Kind Regards,
Martin
The answer is in the QRH 2.25. If your above the max landing weight for FLAP FULL use FLAP 3.
And "in all cases, if landing configuration is different from FLAP FULL, use 1+F for go-around."
And "in all cases, if landing configuration is different from FLAP FULL, use 1+F for go-around."
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Extract from QRH Overweight Landing (CFM eng)
LDG CONF...........AS REQD
Use the ECAM flap setting if required for abnormal operations. In all other cases:
-FULL is preferred for optimised landing performance.
-If the aircraft weight is above the maximum weight for go-around (given in the table below) use FLAP 3 for landing.
In all cases, if landing configuration is different from FLAP FULL use 1+F for go-around.
As I cannot reproduce the given table a summary of the CFM numbers shows that an overweight climb gradient can be achieved at Max Ldg Wt 77T in FLAP 3 at OAT +40C and Airport Elev 3000ft, +30C/6000ft to +15/8000 which would probably not be often if you are operating outside of those numbers.
Obviously if you or your Company choose to land FLAP 3 as a matter of course then the situation is changed.
LDG CONF...........AS REQD
Use the ECAM flap setting if required for abnormal operations. In all other cases:
-FULL is preferred for optimised landing performance.
-If the aircraft weight is above the maximum weight for go-around (given in the table below) use FLAP 3 for landing.
In all cases, if landing configuration is different from FLAP FULL use 1+F for go-around.
As I cannot reproduce the given table a summary of the CFM numbers shows that an overweight climb gradient can be achieved at Max Ldg Wt 77T in FLAP 3 at OAT +40C and Airport Elev 3000ft, +30C/6000ft to +15/8000 which would probably not be often if you are operating outside of those numbers.
Obviously if you or your Company choose to land FLAP 3 as a matter of course then the situation is changed.
