Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Tech Log
Reload this Page >

Your airlines' policy about the use of automation during flight?

Tech Log The very best in practical technical discussion on the web

Your airlines' policy about the use of automation during flight?

Old 13th Jan 2013, 02:34
  #121 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Australia
Posts: 3,845
Glad to see that the FAA is now encouraging what my company has been doing all along
I can't see the FAA recommendation changing the use of all automatics policies of Emirates, Ethiad, Singapore Airlines, China Air, Air China, and all the other big players in the airline transport industry. Nice try, though but another case of re-inventing the wheel.
Centaurus is offline  
Old 13th Jan 2013, 04:00
  #122 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: AUSTRALIA - CHINA STHN
Age: 55
Posts: 257
Manual operations

Isnt that what "handling" sims are for?... Seems best to practice in the box more often than the aircraft with punters on board to me... But that might require more training resources, hence cost in order to satisfy all the other Apollo 13 scenarios demanded in the semi annual matrix of events wja
woodja51 is offline  
Old 13th Jan 2013, 09:10
  #123 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Krug departure, Merlot transition
Posts: 522
woodja51
Isnt that what "handling" sims are for?...
I don't know about your airline but in mine we get one handling sim a year... even counting the twice-yearly OPC you would only be practising three times a year. I don't know about you, but I need at least one hand-flown (ideally raw data) approach a month to keep the rust off my scan and confidence in my skills.

I am honestly puzzled, what is the big deal with, er, a pilot simply flying his/her airplane, regardless of there being "punters on board" or not?
main_dog is offline  
Old 13th Jan 2013, 09:38
  #124 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: ...
Posts: 3,789
It's not a big deal...

Honestly, if you don't trust your manual handling skills to be sufficient to use them with passengers onboard you shouldn't be in the front at all.

There is nothing dangerous about handflying in itself!
737Jock is offline  
Old 15th Jan 2013, 02:47
  #125 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: fl
Posts: 2,561
Hand flying skills must be maintained at all times. Relying on automation because you can't hand fly will just result in AF747 situations happening over and over when the automation trips off.

Most all of the aircraft I have flown have lost automation, anti skid, accurate navigation, radar, normal flaps and numerous other failures over 23,000 hrs. All easy to manage by hand flying and common sense.

Why depend on automation to fix all your problems now. It never worked in the past. Newer airplanes don't make them fool proof as stated in the first paragraph.
bubbers44 is offline  
Old 15th Jan 2013, 03:07
  #126 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: USA
Posts: 1,377
I am honestly puzzled, what is the big deal with, er, a pilot simply flying his/her airplane, regardless of there being "punters on board" or not?
I've always wondered about that myself. If it's not safe to do with "fare paying passengers" behind me, it's not safe for me to do with the seats empty either.

Along those lines, what happens if it's a plane full of airline employees using their staff travel benefits? Since they don't pay fares, is it safe then?
Check Airman is offline  
Old 15th Jan 2013, 03:15
  #127 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Home soon
Posts: 1,969
Hand flying skills must be maintained at all times. Relying on automation because you can't hand fly will just result in AF747 situations happening over and over when the automation trips off.
Apologies for this slight thread drift but arent OVERRUNS the result of lack flight skills mixed with poor judgement?
One can only 'yahoo' overrun and a list of AMERICAN AIRLINES will pop up,worrying indeed..
Relying on automation is also true for not checking AUTO speed brake deployement along with poorly accomplished SOPs..(call out).

Last edited by de facto; 15th Jan 2013 at 03:41.
de facto is offline  
Old 7th Dec 2013, 02:21
  #128 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: boston
Posts: 1
Turkish Airlines Pilot Competency

Can anyone share their opinions about Turkish Airlines safety and pilot competency? Last report from euronews stated that 13 former pilots described huge safety concerns.
Greek Girl is offline  
Old 10th Dec 2013, 21:35
  #129 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: flyover country USA
Age: 77
Posts: 4,580
It will be interesting to see airline mgmt comments on the NTSB review of Asiana SFO. 11 Dec.
barit1 is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.