Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Tech Log
Reload this Page >

AF 447 Search to resume

Wikiposts
Search
Tech Log The very best in practical technical discussion on the web

AF 447 Search to resume

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 4th Apr 2011, 15:50
  #2941 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Chicago
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Curious

Some of the news reports suggest that the field was found on a wide, flat area fairly close to the LKP. If so, why was the signal sent by the boxes not detectable early on in the search? Sorry if this is a dumb question!
murphair is offline  
Old 4th Apr 2011, 15:52
  #2942 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: France
Age: 83
Posts: 41
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Is the place where the AC has been found near the area where the Emeraude sub heard pings from the recorders ?
milsabords is offline  
Old 4th Apr 2011, 15:54
  #2943 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Foster City, California
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Full BEA presentation (PDF)

point.presse.4avril2011.pdf
Gerard13 is offline  
Old 4th Apr 2011, 15:54
  #2944 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Germany
Posts: 152
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
More Pictures

Oprations de recherche en mer : images du site
OleOle is offline  
Old 4th Apr 2011, 15:56
  #2945 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Málaga, Spain
Posts: 16
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Is the place where the AC has been found near the area where the Emeraude sub heard pings from the recorders ?
No, the pings were detected (very faintly) at the extreme west edge of the search radius. Which calls into question the detection - acoustic searches were made much closer to the wreck site than that.

Though, one consideration to bear in mind - we have not yet seen any wreckage of the tail section, where the recorders would be. It could possibly have broken off (in the air or at impact) and, being more buoyant than the rest of the airframe, could have drifted farther as it settled to the seabed.
ushumgal is offline  
Old 4th Apr 2011, 16:01
  #2946 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: On the big blue planet
Posts: 1,027
Received 24 Likes on 12 Posts
Publication BEA with pics and position:

http://www.bea.aero/fr/enquetes/vol....4avril2011.pdf

skadi
skadi is offline  
Old 4th Apr 2011, 16:09
  #2947 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Dorking
Posts: 491
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Can anybody tell whether the gear was up or down?
boguing is offline  
Old 4th Apr 2011, 16:12
  #2948 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Paris
Posts: 691
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Wreckage:












takata is offline  
Old 4th Apr 2011, 16:18
  #2949 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Bordeaux
Age: 54
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
During the press conference, there was one question about the landing gear. The answer was something like "probably ejected when the plane hit the surface". At least, would mean it wasn't necessarily down.
Vitamine is offline  
Old 4th Apr 2011, 16:26
  #2950 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Toronto
Posts: 2,558
Received 38 Likes on 17 Posts
Position of wreckage

The last page of the presentation shows the location about 10 km at about 010 from LKP.

The cowlings have been blown off the engines. There are some big pieces, but so far I don't see or expect any intact fuselage sections.

Where exactly are the CVR and FDR mounted in what kind of structure?
RatherBeFlying is offline  
Old 4th Apr 2011, 16:35
  #2951 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: USA
Posts: 102
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
...does anyone have an idea of how they would lift the wreckage to the surface from that extreme depth (+13,000 feet)? I assume the pictures have been taken by an un-manned sub; right?
robertbartsch is offline  
Old 4th Apr 2011, 16:45
  #2952 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Bordeaux
Age: 54
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Better be cautious with the last page. It points a specific location, but during the press conference it was made clear the plane was "somewhere" in that abyssal plain, so the map means nothing more. They definitely don't want abyssal paparazis.
Vitamine is offline  
Old 4th Apr 2011, 16:51
  #2953 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: France - mostly
Age: 84
Posts: 1,682
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
gear up or down?

Originally Posted by boguing
Can anybody tell whether the gear was up or down?
To my untrained eye, the fourth picture in takata's sequence shows the (RH?) main gear in the extended position, with some outboard wing structure still attached.

regards,
HN39
HazelNuts39 is offline  
Old 4th Apr 2011, 16:51
  #2954 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Paris
Posts: 691
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The last page of the presentation shows the location about 10 km at about 010 from LKP.
The arrow is pointing at the location of the abyssal plain, not to the crash site which is located somewhere on this dark blue spot.
takata is offline  
Old 4th Apr 2011, 16:58
  #2955 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Paris
Posts: 691
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
...does anyone have an idea of how they would lift the wreckage to the surface from that extreme depth (+13,000 feet)? I assume the pictures have been taken by an un-manned sub; right?
It is taken from one of the three Remus (those small yellow torpedoes used for scanning the sea bed) in another close up dive for taking those pictures after completing their area scan.
For the lift to the surface, they would certainly use some inflatable stuff attached by ROVs.
takata is offline  
Old 4th Apr 2011, 17:10
  #2956 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Blighty (Nth. Downs)
Age: 77
Posts: 2,107
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
HN39,
I agree that one of the MLGs looks down (not sure which). Perhaps the uplock could have been disengaged by the sea-level impact, and loss of hydraulics might allow it to dangle?

takata,
d'Achord. It's still surprisingly close to the LKP.

It will be interesting to have revealed the relative positions of the items pictured, not to mention the full inventory of aircraft parts present in this debris field. This section of the aeroplane seems to have been tracking about either 070 or 250 as it hit the plaine abyssale. Whether that tells us anything about in-flight heading is another matter.
Chris Scott is offline  
Old 4th Apr 2011, 17:18
  #2957 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Paris
Posts: 691
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Chris
It's still surprisingly close to the LKP.

It will be interesting to have revealed the relative positions of the items pictured, not to mention the full inventory of aircraft parts present in this debris field. This section of the aeroplane seems to have been tracking about either 070 or 250 as it hit the plaine abyssale.
They still don't have those informations at the moment. Those pictures are taken from the first close up to verify if it was the right site. It is what they are doing right now, taking the measures and geo-references of all the spoted wreckage (quadrillage).

And yes, it is still very close to the LKP when considering that the crash happened at least 5 minutes later than this "Last Know Position" was recorded (02.10) ...
takata is offline  
Old 4th Apr 2011, 17:21
  #2958 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: My Stringy Brane
Posts: 377
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Here's an overlay of mm43's earlier map and today's BEA map:



The yellow circles are drawn at multiples of 10NM radii from the Last Known Position.
Machaca is offline  
Old 4th Apr 2011, 19:00
  #2959 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Slovenia
Posts: 19
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Interesting...

I find it rather interesting to notice, that the wreckage is generally spread east-west/west-east (flighpath should've been NNE). Unxpected.

(in reference to http://www.bea.aero/fr/enquetes/vol....sn109a700m.jpg)

D.
damirc is offline  
Old 4th Apr 2011, 19:02
  #2960 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Germany
Age: 67
Posts: 1,777
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Cool

Hi,

From the state of the engine (s ?) .. seem's the contact with the sea was not a soft one ....
They shows evident signs of violent destruction IMHO
jcjeant is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.