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Old 11th Jan 2011, 13:51
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Has any date for the resumption of search activity been announced?
If I missed it, sorry.
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Old 11th Jan 2011, 16:43
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The Phase 4 search is expected to get underway in mid to late February 2011.
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Old 15th Jan 2011, 09:27
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well, this might be a little unconventional but:

has anyone tried to use some parapsychologist technology to show possible location of the plane? use several well qualified and independently working people to get several locations spotted, select where the density of spots is higghest and check there. This is a known and used way of founding things on the ground and AFAIK it works as well over water but it may have to be assisted by better maps of the bottom surface?

there are people capable of doing such things - with good results, even it there is much more people who do not believe this. I do not want to start a - i believe - i do not believe - discussion here. Just pointing out a possible way that can be exercised even before start of the coming search phase 4.
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Old 16th Jan 2011, 04:23
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I don't think psychics would really help...
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Old 16th Jan 2011, 19:53
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After all, why not?
When we look behind the sofa of official researches, it seems justifiable to wonder what is the game of officials who make those researches.

And here are questioning of a 447's victims families association
(I'm sorry, go˛gle translation).
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Old 18th Jan 2011, 10:33
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why not go all the way and ...

why no go all the way then and ask the parapsychologists to give us the answer, Why AF447 went down ...

(Sorry, couldn't resist ...)
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Old 18th Jan 2011, 11:51
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Maybe the investigators have already used the parapsychologists.
And if they did .. they do not say ... for fear of appearing ridiculous
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Old 20th Jan 2011, 21:06
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why not go all the way and ...
its good to know that even being a parapsychologist or shaman ona has certain limitations and certain dangers. After all this is working with souls or demons:
Imagine observing a medical operation that goes wrong: could you recognize what went wrong even if looking at all available displays or listening to short words spoken between the operating crew? Might be difficult...
Imagine yourself being able to see with your own eyes (even only as a vision) what was happening inside the cabin during the long minutes when the plane was falling down and when it started to sink. Could you mind stand up to the memories of witnessing sounds and pictures of people starting to understand tey are doomed? Memory of this would stay with you forever, every night and day.

if you would have to decide where to search, knowing that last three attempts were looking at quite different areas after receiving very different scientifically based opinions, and that each day costs a lot of $$$ than alternative solutions does not look that much extravagant. Just think how many people use similar technology when digging for water.
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Old 21st Jan 2011, 03:14
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"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future."
Yogi Berra

The problem with obtaining information through interpreting tea leaves, divining sheep entrails, throwing darts, astrology and other paranormal means is that they are pseudoscience. It has nothing to do with having open mind. There is simply no basis in fact for employing these techniques because they are not effective.

The excellent magazine "Skeptical Inquirer" (The Committee for Skeptical Inquiry) has many interesting articles about these and other techniques available on-line.

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Old 21st Jan 2011, 03:19
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I have been channeling Wiley Post. He says...........

"Why not search the area that has not been searched??"

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Old 21st Jan 2011, 09:53
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Bear, Wylie Post may have sounded quite cogent in this regard to most. To me it's rubbish. And I'll stake my reputation as being the person in this household to go to for finding things.

I do not always find them first pass or even second or third. I just don't give up. Eventually something will prompt me that "I've not looked here before" and I find what I am looking for. That is if I don't discover it in a place I looked at and simply didn't connect what I saw with what I was looking for. And this is after my partner has looked for an hour or so.

If you're looking for something, and you have reason to believe it is within a specific volume, then don't stop looking. Expanding the boundaries is usually good for a break. But most of the time the prize is within the original search volume.

Of course, it helps to search the entire likely volume, repeatedly, before branching out very far. The key is, "Don't give up until the prize is in your hands." Giving up guarantees you will never find the prize.
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Old 21st Jan 2011, 19:49
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As my wife has pointed out to me the past and I daresay will point out to me many times in the future,

"Did you have a MAN look?"

You are right, many a time we males do not see things on the first pass or at all!!
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Old 21st Jan 2011, 22:04
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You are right, many a time we males do not see things on the first pass or at all!!

'Man' searches are rarely 50% succesful n this household

Unless searching for something a female has lost or mislaid which ups the % a bit
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Old 22nd Jan 2011, 05:23
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Boys just give up to easy. And if it was a simple testosterone thing you'd think men would obsess about it until they found it. So it must be something else. Cultural?

Anyway, the key is persistence - if the famn dool thing still exists.
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Old 22nd Jan 2011, 20:11
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JD-EE et al

I usually find things in "the last place I look", then again if one keeps
on trying other places after finding something it raises questions about mental status.

As to women being better at finding things;
True enough if the objects are in plain sight or where they belong, on the other hand maybe not so much if a true sieve approach is required.

I once found a girlfriends lost pay check which she hid while drunk because she was afraid of theft or that she would misplace it. (I did mention she was drunk...)

Starting at one end of her room I individually examined each and every item larger than a coin. (she could have folded it to fit it somewhere.)

When I began inspecting each tissue in a box of Kleenex she was making great fun of me untill I found the paycheck about 1/2 way through the box.
Even so I almost missed it because of the way the tissues were interleaved - it was a good hidding place indeed.

Guess the point is that in the current context it is impossible to say that the recorders are not somehwere that has already been searched since the "sieve" approach cannot be used.
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Old 22nd Jan 2011, 21:44
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Does anyone know if the Searchers are proposing to introduce additional audio/visual (evolutionary) equipment to the equipment they have used previously?
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Old 22nd Jan 2011, 23:00
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Hi all,

apologies if this has already been covered or if it is completely irrelevant but I saw this thread and it reminded me of something someone mentioned and I keep meaning to find out more about it. I am currently doing a type rating with my first airline so don't know much about this area but during a CRM course the instructor was talking about the Operational Flight Data Monitoring system and how it instantaneously alerts a land based computer system when an aircraft exceeds its limitations, such as flap exceedance speeds. He briefly mentioned AF 447 afterwards but I only caught the last few words. To cut to the chase, is it true/possible that Air France will have an idea of the situation of the aircraft immediately prior to its crash as a result of the OFDM system highlighting the parameters that were exceeded? If so with the data the OFDM provides (I'm not sure what information this is) do you think Air France have a pretty good inclination into the cause of the crash? The only things I caught when he mentioned AF 447 was that the information Air France had from OFDM would never be released to the public.

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Old 23rd Jan 2011, 08:00
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tobias118118 be carefull, your CRM instructor appears to have spooky tendencies. Anything he tells you is most probably false.
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Old 23rd Jan 2011, 21:55
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Originally Posted by mmciau
Does anyone know if the Searchers are proposing to introduce additional audio/visual (evolutionary) equipment to the equipment they have used previously?
I gather that the same equipment will be used to search much of the area that was not covered during Phase 3.

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Old 27th Jan 2011, 08:47
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Seemingly Very Relevant to AF447......

Federal Aviation Administration
14 CFR Part 39
[Docket No. FAA-2011-0029; Directorate Identifier 2010-NM-279-AD; Amendment 39-16583; AD 2011-02-09]
Airworthiness Directives; Airbus Model A330-200 Series Airplanes; Model A330-300 Series Airplanes; Model A340-200 Series Airplanes; and Model A340-300 Series Airplanes
When there are significant differences between all airspeed sources, the flight controls of an Airbus A330 or A340 aeroplane will revert to alternate law, the autopilot (AP) and the auto-thrust (A/THR) automatically disconnect, and the Flight Directors (FD) bars are automatically removed.
It has been identified that, after such an event, if two airspeed sources become similar while still erroneous, the flight guidance computers will:
–Display FD bars again, and
–Enable autopilot and auto-thrust re-engagement
However, in some cases, the autopilot orders may be inappropriate, such as possible abrupt pitch command.
* * * * *
The unsafe condition is the potential for abrupt pitch command which may lead to unexpected maneuvers of the airplane and cause injuries of the crew and passengers, as well as reduced controllability of the airplane, and increased pilot workload. This AD requires actions that are intended to address the unsafe condition described in the MCAI.
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