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matkat

11th December 2004 18:07

Great news as I work in airbus engineering the future is lovely at present

ElectroVlasic

11th December 2004 19:02

humble_dor :

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But A is killing its own products A330 and A340-300.

Indeed. This is called the "eat your young" strategy. It's clear that these products will not stand up well in comparison to B's products, so A has no choice but to kill off their own products. Given the fact that they are loaned money on really generous terms every time they develop a new product, it's relatively easy for them to do so.

matkat :

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Great news as I work in airbus engineering the future is lovely at present

Congrats, Matkat. Keep up the good work. It must be a wonderful time to be there. Keep good notes, and perhaps write a book some day ;) ! If not, just write us a nice long post about what you've seen and done while at Airbus. I'm sure most of us would find it quite interesting.

SLuca

12th December 2004 05:14

A380focal:

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Wouldn't it be better to compare the 767-400ER with the A330-300 since they have the same range - 5650nm. In which case the A330 caries 10% more passengers for a given config.

The A330-200 has a range of 6700nm - considerably more than the 767.

Airlines usually pick the airplane based on the number of passengers they hope to carryand therefore, an A330-300 carrying the same pax number as a 767-400 will not be more fuel efficient per pax carried than a 767-400.

The A332 has more range than needed on most flights for which the 764 could be used with lower fuel burn.

hobie

12th December 2004 08:15

Why on earth do guys get so uptight in any conversation regarding Boeing and AirBus?:8

Competition is the "Mother of Invention" (well, one of them) and does nothing but move us all forward.

:ok:

humble_dor

12th December 2004 14:26

hobie said

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Competition is the "Mother of Invention" (well, one of them) and does nothing but move us all forward.

There is not any competition between A350 and 7E7. They are not on the same market segment.
No competition no invention.

hobie

12th December 2004 19:48

humble_dor says .......

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"There is not any competition between A350 and 7E7. They are not on the same market segment"

many thanks HD ...... I shall remember that and I promise to elighten everyone who spreads wicked rumours to the contrary!

..... the 7E7 will sink or swim in its own market segment ..... now remember that, all you guys out there :ok:

panda-k-bear

13th December 2004 12:52

humble-dor

I'm not so sure about the killing the A330 and A340 thing. The A330 has less range than the A350, so it seems logical that if you want to only operate transatlantic, then the A350 is too much aircraft (I'm assuming it'll have a higher take-off weight than the A330 to get that range). I can see the case where the A330 and the A350 are operated together especially if Airbus works their magic and gets a same type rating for the crews. Look at Northwest - A330 on Atlantic, A350 on Pacific. perfect!

cmf	16th December 2004 22:30

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One comment to make on A's sizing of the market: They claim 3000 airframes, which is more than B's claims which were around 2000 airframes. The claims are interesting, because A does not have to begin to pay back its development loans till it has sold 40% of its anticipated market. Presumably A is planning to sell 50% of the 3000 frames, no? Also interesting that A380 is forecast to 1000 frames, so no loans will begin repayment till 400 are sold, and ~120 or so are currently sold. Its probably not polite to keep bringing up the loan issue, but it is a key factor in how A can get product into the market faster than B can, and the quickness of A's response to 7e7 is evidence of this.

Actually there are payments being done on every frame, just not at "full" rate as only 20% of the loan is repaid on the first 40% of the forecasted frames, making the first 40% bearing half of their share(if the forecasted frames are reached)

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